reel upgrade

[grayfox0327]

Hi

 

Yesterday i met a guy fishing, he has a Black max and a pro max both last generation, what surprise me about that, is that i have a 1 orra SX (2nd gen), 2 Revo SX and 1 Revo STX (all revos are 3rd gen) and he cast almost as twice the distance i can cas even if i use a heave lure, so i ask he about his magical reel, he told me that the he upgrade the black max with an Orra 1st gen bearings and he upgrade the pro max with other reel bearings that i don't remember the name.

 

Any ideas that can help me upgrading my reels, i fish from the bank so i need distance.

 

by the way, i use kastking 40lb braided line on all 4 reels and i already try different settings on my reel brakes.

 

thanks in advanced.

 

 

[IndianaFinesse]

I think it has more to do with his casting form and the rod used than the bearing upgrade IMHO.

[J Francho]

7 minutes ago, IndianaFinesse said:

I think it has more to do with his casting form and the rod used than the bearing upgrade IMHO.

Exactly.  Study your friend's technique.

[grayfox0327]

Thanks

[BassB8Caster]

were you casting the same lure with the same line on all reels? sometimes trying too hard for distance causes you to cast shorter. Let the rod work for you. 

[Stephen B]

May just need a cleaning. If the cleaning doesn't fix it then look at upgrading your bearings to ZPI bearings or any other one.

[grayfox0327]

28 minutes ago, BassB8Caster said:

were you casting the same lure with the same line on all reels? sometimes trying too hard for distance causes you to cast shorter. Let the rod work for you. 

i use different types of lures, the heavy one get farther but not as his.

As mention before his cast is almost twice longer than my better cast.

these are my reels and rods

 

1. revo sx with 7 ft Orra sx (2nd gen) combo rod medium heavy

2. revo sx with 6.6' orra sx (2nd gen) combo rod medium

3. revo stx with 6.6 veeritas 2.0 medium heavy

4. orra sx with berckly cherrywood HD rod (hybrid rod)

 

i normally cast lures between 3/8 to 1/2 oz  but i have some 1/4  and 3/4 ones, but no big difference in distance between the 1/2 and the 3/4 cast 

 

[BassB8Caster]

You cant compare 2 casts if the gear is different, reason why i asked if you both had the same line and lures to compare. so if you have a half ounce lure on with 12lb mono and he has a 3/4 ounce (or even 1/2oz) lure with 30lb braid, you will get different results. Two different guys with the same gear will probably different as we are all different in our mechanics. So you cannot really compare two. I have never fished with the revo or orra reels. But i do have a black max from abu garcia. It is really their entry level baitcaster, and i have no problems with long casts. You saying you are not seeing a difference between a 1.2 oz and 3/4 ounce lure in casting distance tells me that you need to adjust your brakes. or possibly you need to go through your reels and service them. If you add more weight and lighten up your tension/brakes, you should see a longer casting distance. If i were in your shoes and i tried all the brake combinations possibly and were still at a loss, i would swap out the 40lb braid on atleast one of those reels to begin with to a 30lb braid and see how that affects the casting. i bet the 30 will give you the distance you are looking for. What was they guy you met using for line?

[grayfox0327]

35 minutes ago, Stephen B said:

May just need a cleaning. If the cleaning doesn't fix it then look at upgrading your bearings to ZPI bearings or any other one.

i really doubt they need to be cleaned yet, since my oldest one is from May, this year and i don't go fishing more the 3 to 4 time a month (sadly ) but i can check on that.

 

Thanks

[Angry John]

If you see him again see how good he does with your setup or see if he changes any settings that can help.  If he can cast your setup a lot further then you know its you, either style or how you set the reel.  If he gets the same results then you may want to look into a material issue.  Tons of unknowns here like the speed of any of the rods, differences in length, line size on his side or the arrow dynamics of either lure.  Was he throwing a 3/4 rattle trap and your throwing a spinner bait?

[grayfox0327]

12 minutes ago, BassB8Caster said:

You cant compare 2 casts if the gear is different, reason why i asked if you both had the same line and lures to compare. so if you have a half ounce lure on with 12lb mono and he has a 3/4 ounce (or even 1/2oz) lure with 30lb braid, you will get different results. Two different guys with the same gear will probably different as we are all different in our mechanics. So you cannot really compare two. I have never fished with the revo or orra reels. But i do have a black max from abu garcia. It is really their entry level baitcaster, and i have no problems with long casts. You saying you are not seeing a difference between a 1.2 oz and 3/4 ounce lure in casting distance tells me that you need to adjust your brakes. or possibly you need to go through your reels and service them. If you add more weight and lighten up your tension/brakes, you should see a longer casting distance. If i were in your shoes and i tried all the brake combinations possibly and were still at a loss, i would swap out the 40lb braid on atleast one of those reels to begin with to a 30lb braid and see how that affects the casting. i bet the 30 will give you the distance you are looking for. What was they guy you met using for line?

Thanks for the info, he was using berkley trilene 20 lb mono. about the service you mention, i hope not since my oldest reel is from o May of this year.

 

I will change the line in one of the revo SX, since are the only one that i can compare and see if there is a difference between the two

 

Thanks

[Stephen B]

9 minutes ago, grayfox0327 said:

i really doubt they need to be cleaned yet, since my oldest one is from May, this year and i don't go fishing more the 3 to 4 time a month (sadly ) but i can check on that.

 

Thanks

Double check to make sure they are cleaned. Also, how tight is your spool tension and do you have all the brakes engaged? That is likely the difference.

[grayfox0327]

4 minutes ago, Angry John said:

If you see him again see how good he does with your setup or see if he changes any settings that can help.  If he can cast your setup a lot further then you know its you, either style or how you set the reel.  If he gets the same results then you may want to look into a material issue.  Tons of unknowns here like the speed of any of the rods, differences in length, line size on his side or the arrow dynamics of either lure.  Was he throwing a 3/4 rattle trap and your throwing a spinner bait?

i will see him again next week, i'll do what you recommend and ...i star to think the problem is me hehe... thanks

3 minutes ago, Stephen B said:

Double check to make sure they are cleaned. Also, how tight is your spool tension and do you have all the brakes engaged? That is likely the difference.

the knob is set so the lure falls and when it hit the floor does not get a backlash, and the mag brake in 3 or 4 i think but all reels are set different since i use them for different types if lures

[J Francho]

Make sure your comfortable with the cast, and in tiny increments, loosen the spool tension.  You can leave the brakes where they are.  I actually use heavy brakes, and almost no spool tension.  Keep training your thumb. 

[grayfox0327]

I will because if i loose the knob to much i immediately get a backlash in middle air

[DroneFisher]

Could be a number of factors IMO. Could be a super tuned reel, regular tuned reel, lighter line, better cast form, etc. Both reels are less expensive ones which goes to show that it doesn't matter how much you spend on products, your skills as an angler trump bearing count, price, material, make, location, etc.

[new2BC4bass]

On 11/6/2017 at 2:00 PM, grayfox0327 said:

i really doubt they need to be cleaned yet, since my oldest one is from May, this year and i don't go fishing more the 3 to 4 time a month (sadly ) but i can check on that.

 

Thanks

 

Lot of guys that do their own maintenance never fish a new reel without first cleaning it.  I don't mess with my reels, but have sent a couple new ones out for cleaning before using.  You never know how they are lubed from the factory.  I've read reels can sometimes be bone dry and other times packed with grease.  Neither scenario is good for long distance casting.

 

You could find someone locally, but a better option is someone like DVT.  Mike gives a 10% discount to members.