Crankbait Line

[Attila]

1 hour ago, Tywithay said:

I only prefer mono because the extra stretch seems to keep the fish pinned a little better with trebles. Fluoro sinks as well, which can kind of drag the front of the bait down.

Sorry, I have to disagree with you.

 

InvizX has plenty of stretch and fishes a lot like mono. As well, this summer I fished Shadow Rap Shads and Ripstops on braid with an InvizX leader and at no point did the front of the bait get dragged down, as a matter of fact they rose just as advertised.

[Boomstick]

1 hour ago, Tywithay said:

Don't pay attention the line's breaking strength. 15lb Red Label has a diameter of .33mm, the same exact diameter of 12lb Trilene XL. The line you're using is just fine. I only prefer mono because the extra stretch seems to keep the fish pinned a little better with trebles. Fluoro sinks as well, which can kind of drag the front of the bait down.

A lot of FC will also have a decent amount of stretch as well. But I do agree that the Red Label is thin for its ratings and I wouldn't have a problem with it where I fish where I don't need too get too deep. That said, I use 15 or 17lb mono to be able to pull it through weeds and grass, but I would run 10lb FC for max depth or 12lb for a happy medium between line strength and depth.

 

To confirm what others have said, I also haven't had any major issues with knot strength from lower diameter Seagar line either but I might spend another 15 seconds making sure the knot is cinched up tightly.

[Tywithay]

9 hours ago, Attila said:

Sorry, I have to disagree with you.

 

InvizX has plenty of stretch and fishes a lot like mono. As well, this summer I fished Shadow Rap Shads and Ripstops on braid with an InvizX leader and at no point did the front of the bait get dragged down, as a matter of fact they rose just as advertised.

Notice I said, "can" drag the front of the bait down, not "will." Not all baits are created equal and some fluoro is more dense than others. The buoyancy of the lure makes a difference. The knot can also make a difference. There are a lot more variables than just mono vs. fluoro.

9 hours ago, Boomstick said:

A lot of FC will also have a decent amount of stretch as well. But I do agree that the Red Label is thin for its ratings and I wouldn't have a problem with it where I fish where I don't need too get too deep. That said, I use 15 or 17lb mono to be able to pull it through weeds and grass, but I would run 10lb FC for max depth or 12lb for a happy medium between line strength and depth.

 

To confirm what others have said, I also haven't had any major issues with knot strength from lower diameter Seagar line either but I might spend another 15 seconds making sure the knot is cinched up tightly.

Red Label isn't thin for its rating, it's just properly rated. Japanese lines are rated at actual breaking strength for the diameter. Most american lines are rated well below, so they can say things like "strongest 10lb line in the world!" Of course, the line actually breaks at 14lb, because it has the same diameter as 14lb line. 

 

Knot strength for fluorocarbon is always a hot topic, but if you wet the line properly, and tie a good knot, it's every bit as strong as mono.

[Boomstick]

2 hours ago, Tywithay said:

Notice I said, "can" drag the front of the bait down, not "will." Not all baits are created equal and some fluoro is more dense than others. The buoyancy of the lure makes a difference. The knot can also make a difference. There are a lot more variables than just mono vs. fluoro.

Red Label isn't thin for its rating, it's just properly rated. Japanese lines are rated at actual breaking strength for the diameter. Most american lines are rated well below, so they can say things like "strongest 10lb line in the world!" Of course, the line actually breaks at 14lb, because it has the same diameter as 14lb line. 

 

Knot strength for fluorocarbon is always a hot topic, but if you wet the line properly, and tie a good knot, it's every bit as strong as mono.

 

Well relatively it is thin for its rating, but you are correct. I've had a 12lb line that must have held at least 20lbs on me before.

[J Francho]

I've experimented with not wetting the line, but just slowly and carefully cinching the knot.  No issues here.

[WRB]

Fluorocarbon line has created more fishing knot over it's time being used by bass anglers then all other fishing lines over the past 100+ years combined.

Click knot and variations improved clinch knot and Trilene knot followed by Palomar knot was all anyone used ipduring my lifetime before FC because knot failure wasn't an issue.

Today if you took a consenses of FC knots their are more than a dozen new knots, some named after pro anglers, others modified from similar knots. Why? Simple, FC breaks under fishing conditions at random times. When you have a knot failure, you give up on the knot you tied or try to tie it more effectively before giving it up.

Test knot strength by applying the load quickly like a hook set or a big bass panicked next to the boat, line strength within 1 second load time, after it's been tied for a few hours.

Whatever you use all you need is confidence it's good enough to land that bass of a lifetime.

Tom

 

 

[J Francho]

Meh.  I still use the same Improved Clinch, Palomar, and Uni I've always used.  I Palomar on 6# Invisx gets about 6.5 lbs. before breaking.  I can only imagine that follows up the chain with heavier lines.

 

If anyone is interested in a premium mono offering, try Rippin'. 12 lb. size has been performing very well for medium and deep cranking. 

[scaleface]

I use 12 lb Big Game for crankbaits because the big spools are inexpensive and its a quality line . When it cost that little I change line more often .

[J Francho]

It's been a wash for me on line.  I just respooled one my DS rods that had Invisx on it for 5 seasons.  I'm trying the new Finesse line they introduced.  It says it's rated at 7.2, but it has the same diameter as 6#.  I haven't tested the knot strength yet.  But for what I do, I would have changed out the mono nearly a dozen times over, if that's what I was using.  have some 10 and 12 lb. Tastu that's 3 seasons long on a couple of my cranking sticks.  Looks and performs as good as new.

[Boomstick]

On 9/11/2017 at 11:27 AM, scaleface said:

I use 12 lb Big Game for crankbaits because the big spools are inexpensive and its a quality line . When it cost that little I change line more often .

I agree with Big Game being a quality affordable line. I have recently picked up a Tatula glass cranking rod and I decided I would try Suffix Siege 17 lb line on that and so far I am finding it has notably less memory than any Berkley line I have ever used. If I feel the same in a few more weeks, I'll likely use it for all of my heavier lines, although I'll probably stick to Big Game on spinning reels and lighter line applications.