How many wraps on Alberto knot

[Rodney Smith]

Does more wraps make the knot stronger (30 lb Sufix 832 braid to mono)?I would think so, but it seems the more wraps I use, the more often I will break. My guides are small, so maybe it is catching on the guides and weakening the knot. What do you think?

[swandog]

I was having the same issue with the smaller guides a lot of newer rods have. I starting adding some Loctite gel and that solved the problem. It adds enough protection to the wraps and is flexible enough it doesn't damage the guides. I have also used Loon's Knot sense and it works as well, but you need a UV light (Sunlight) to cure it.

 

For 30lb braid, I would use atleast 7 wraps (7 up and 7 back). You might get away with less using 50lb and up.

[EvanT123]

7 up 4 back. 

[J Francho]

10 up, 10 back.

[OkobojiEagle]

8 & 8... more wraps equals more line weakening friction when tightening the knot.  I keep the Alberto knot inside of my mouth immersed in saliva when tightening.  I also leave ~3/8" of tag on the PE mainline (back side of knot).

 

 

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[NHBull]

When I was using it, I would do between 7 and 10.  Regardless of number I think up and back should be the same since you are trying to make Chinese fings

[rippin-lips]

I use the Albright special knot for leader to line connection. It doesn't require wrapping back down. My rods all have very small guides also and I haven't had any issues with it in a couple years. #30 is my go to braid size and my leaders usually range from #10-15. I use 7-10 wraps. On smaller braid on my spinning rod which is #10 and lighter leaders like 6-8 I use more wraps. Somewhere around 12-14

 

 

[J Francho]

Isn't that just an Albright?  The "Special" or Crazy Alberto knot goes up then down.

[rippin-lips]

53 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Isn't that just an Albright?  The "Special" or Crazy Alberto knot goes up then down.

Honestly, I don't know its exact name. I've seen both examples used with the same name. I just use it haha. 

[The Bassman]

I'm kind of the outlier here in that I only use 5 up and down. Have had no slippage using light braids. It also makes a very compact knot.

[Montanaro]

7 up and down

 

I suppose smaller diameter lines need more to increase surface area

[45user]

5 up and down for me

its all about keeping compact for me

now when I go saltwater on a regular Alberto I do 15-20 wrap up to 25lbs line 

modified Alberto I only do 5-6 up and down 

 

[tander]

6 hours ago, J Francho said:

Isn't that just an Albright?  The "Special" or Crazy Alberto knot goes up then down.

 

I believe you are right, I use the Alberto knot with 11 up and 11 down on 10# test braid to 7# test fc.

[crypt]

5 up 5 down............then you do the hokey pokey.........

 

you know the rest....

[Darren.]

On thinner leaders (4-8#) I'll go more wraps up, I do not

usually do equal wraps up and down. I go more wraps

up, less wraps down - sometimes 10 up, 5 down. 

 

To be honest, there's no set formula for this knot.

 

As well, the Alberto (Mod'd Albright) has be come my 2nd

knot of choice, the main being the simple, but o so reliable

(for me) uni-to-uni, usually 5 and 5 wraps.

[Angry John]

7 hours ago, rippin-lips said:

I use the Albright special knot for leader to line connection. It doesn't require wrapping back down. My rods all have very small guides also and I haven't had any issues with it in a couple years. #30 is my go to braid size and my leaders usually range from #10-15. I use 7-10 wraps. On smaller braid on my spinning rod which is #10 and lighter leaders like 6-8 I use more wraps. Somewhere around 12-14

 

 

I use this knot 7 up 5 down.  My own way I guess.

[Further North]

The reason Albright/Alberto knots hang up on small guides is that we have 2x line thickness minimum trying to get through the guides.

 

This is why I use the FG knot.  Just a hair (one thickness of braid, pulled down tight) over one line thickness works great.

 

On the Alberto (I use it religiously for slippery leader material like Knot-2-Kinky) I don't feel like the number up and down need to be the same, but I do think the number up should exceed the number down.

[Falkus]

I tend to go 8 up/4 down on that knot for 10 to 14 lbs braid line. 

 

anything less than 10 lbs I go 10 up/5 down. 

 

 

[Yudo1]

I go with 6 up and 6 back.

[ww2farmer]

8 hours ago, Yudo1 said:

I go with 6 up and 6 back.

Same here. Have used those number of wraps for years and never had an issue, with any size line.

[fishindad]

On 8/25/2017 at 6:05 PM, Montanaro said:

7 up and down

 

I suppose smaller diameter lines need more to increase surface area

 

Me too, only because 7 is a luckier number for me than 5 or 6 : )

[Choporoz]

Seven up and seven back.  If not on the water, I try to pay particular attention to staggering the wraps on the way back...so it looks like a braid....seems to make a cleaner knot, though probably doesn't make much difference, really

[Crestliner2008]

Well, from all these variations in wraps up & down, one thing is perfectly obvious. The Alberto knot is one heck of knot! About the most fool proof, slim joint for leaders to main lines that has ever come down the pike. If I'm using 2# - 4# test mainlines I usually go 9 wraps up and 7 back. Fewer with the heavier bass fishing lines. But as you can see, it probably doesn't make a whole lot of difference. Just like the finger-cuff toys we use to get in CrackerJacks boxes back 50 years ago, once it's cinched down, it ain't coming loose!

[Choporoz]

9 minutes ago, Crestliner2008 said:

 once it's cinched down, it ain't coming loose!

but.....if it does.....stand by for something spectacular...I sent a Strikeback spinnerbait 50 feet into the woods the other day....and had the single worst backlash that I have ever seen....In Alberto's defense, it was almost certainly knot-tier malpractice

[Montanaro]

I tied a poor knot in a rush yesterday and broke off at the leader on a nice fish.  Think I didnt put it back through way it came in.