Doubled uni-knot for drop shotting?

[fishwizzard]

So I am getting all hyped for drop shotting lately and have been watching a ton of videos.  I found a few with Aaron Martens where he talks about using a doubled (not double) Uni-Knot to attach his hooks.  The problem is, I cannot for the life of me figure out what he is doing in the videos.  I am with him (I think) up until he starts cinching the knot down.  

 

Does anyone use this rigging method and could shed some light on how this knot is tied?

[Todd2]

I use the double uni for everything....except the drop shot, where it's easier for me to just tie a Palomar for the tag end. Both are great knots. Just remember to put your tag end back thru the eye coming in from the hookpoint side.

 

 

If your problem is just tying a double uni, google fish-n-fool knot. It's the same knot.

[Turtle135]

I believe what he is doing is tying a Uni Knot with the line doubled (which gives you three tag ends). Two of the tag ends you cut, one tag end is threaded back down through the eye of the hook (this tag end gets the weight). I suspect the difficulty in tying this knot is that your tag ends need be be fairly long and that makes it harder to handle your Uni Knot wraps.

[NHBull]

He uses the doubled uni a lot!

 

It is quite easy once you figure out how to place your fingers.  I think it is easier with the lighter test lines and FC with less memory

 

Edit....similar strength can be obtained with the improved uni with a long tag and it is easier because your not using a doubled line but one with more wraps

[Turtle135]

now that I think about it I guess you just use leave that first tag end long (would not have to deal with long leads to wrap that way)

[fishwizzard]

On 8/18/2017 at 7:34 AM, Turtle135 said:

now that I think about it I guess you just use leave that first tag end long (would not have to deal with long leads to wrap that way)

 

Ah ha, this is what I needed!  

 

I have a strong-ish background in rope knots, so my brain would not let me accept that he wanted me to cut the entire loop off.  I have no idea how the knot holds that way, but dude must be doing something right, so I trust him.  Even loading the tag end of a knot seems wrong, but again, it must work somehow!

 

Thanks everyone for the fast responses, I am gonna go try some knots and see how I do.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[fishwizzard]

 

Man it is hard to take a picture of a knot with a phone.  I think I have figured it out though!  I do wonder, that if the only reason to use a doubled knot is to not have to deal with a long tag end, why could I not just tie a Triline Knot (my standard) with a extra long tail.  I can already almost tie it with my eyes shut, so dealing with a 12-18" tag would still be easier than fussing with a new knot and I would still get a double wrap around the hook eye.  

[PAbasser927]

I think the key to a good dropshot knot is that the hook sticks out perpendicular to the line and pointing upwards.  Most people will advise this is easiest to accomplish with a Palomar knot.  I use a double pitzen for just about all of my fluoro setups, drop shot included.  Hook sticks out perpendicular, pointing up, and I have yet to have this knot fail on me.  If your trilene knot accomplishes the same result, no reason not to use it!

[fishnkamp]

Remember Aaron Martens is way way way out there for most of the pros!!! LOL  To say he is ANAl is an understatement which he even says sometimes.

[fishwizzard]

10 hours ago, PAbasser927 said:

 If your trilene knot accomplishes the same result, no reason not to use it!

 

I spent a little time with it this evening and even with leaving a 2' tag end, I can tie a Trilene Knot a lot quicker than anything else.  It is only really a pain when it comes time to start tightening the knot down, and then only because a 1/0 roboworm hook is a little too small to fit around my pinky to help hold pressure.  If loading the tag end of a knot is really ok then I am just going to use this method and see how I like it.  I tied some up and with 6lb floro it seems to hold pretty well.  I can break the line with my hands, but it cuts in a little.  With a hook tied in the middle with a Trilene it does seem to break more easily, but still digs into my hand enough that I am want to give it a go on the water.  

 

23 minutes ago, fishnkamp said:

Remember Aaron Martens is way way way out there for most of the pros!!! LOL  To say he is ANAl is an understatement which he even says sometimes.

 

Yea, but he comes across as a guy who puts a lot of thought into every little aspect of whatever he is doing, which I like.  He doesn't seem to be super comfortable in front of a camera, but he is usually really good about explaining himself clearly and taking the time to go into the little details.  Not having cable, I have watched maybe an hour or three of pro bass fishing in my life, but watching his drop shot videos has gotten me a little interested in it.