Difference between Shakey Head and Ned Rig

[padon]

lo I know it was a joke deep im not offended . Im really not a Midwest finesse guy id rather be throwing flukes texas rigged worms or bladed jigs. but I will say this time of year or whenever the bite gets tough I wont hesitate to grab some sort of finesse style rig and throw it and it usually pays off. if just frustrating to see guys say they wanna try the technique then immediately start modifying it to their liking. if you wanna try the technique read up on it and follow it and see how it works for you then try some modifications if you feel you need to.

[J Francho]

Can I add "stand up jig," "jig worm," and "slider rig" to further the confusion?  Does anyone make a weedless mushroom head?  Another one: I remember fishing grubs on a ball-head for smallmouth.  Sometimes the ribbon tail would get torn off.  Was I "Midwest Finessing?"

[IndianaFinesse]

9 minutes ago, Finesse Wayfarer said:

The Ned rig is pretty simple to me. Mushroom style jighead and a TRD, half a Zinkerz or other stick bait for the non-purist.

There are all kinds of different baits that can be used on a "ned rig", readings some Midwest finesse articles and reports over on infishermen will show you just how many can be used effectively.  And it might help you understand what the ned rig and Midwest finesse fishing really is.

 

Lately the 4" finesse wormz on a 1/16 ounce mushroom head has been very productive for me, substantially more so than the 2.5 inch zinkerz.  Robo worms actually work a little better IMO than the finesse wormz, but I don't use them much because I can only get half a dozen fish per robo worm instead of 100-150 fish before the finesse wormz is to torn to use.

[Team9nine]

5 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Can I add "stand up jig," "jig worm," and "slider rig" to further the confusion?  Does anyone make a weedless mushroom head?  Another one: I remember fishing grubs on a ball-head for smallmouth.  Sometimes the ribbon tail would get torn off.  Was I "Midwest Finessing?"

 

Yes, several production and custom pours for weedless mushroom versions are now available, most use just a single wire guard, or two at most.

 

On your second question, probably not (based on the ballhead alone), though the definition is getting stretched more and more these days, and it has nothing to do with the tail of the grub. Mushroom head jig, frequently brightly colored, less than 3/32 oz., small exposed hook (#2 or smaller) and short piece of plastic (more and more Elaztech based) fished in less than 12 ft of water (usually less than 8') and commonly on open banks or around sparse vegetation (intentionally avoiding more traditional bass cover areas) using short casts and a variety of defined retrieves combined with an intentional lack of feeling as to the baits presence, often punctuated with shaking. It was developed on/for flatland impoundments, has frugality as a basis along with the concept/goal of catching 101 bass in 4 hrs, and usually fishing midday (11-3, 12-4, etc.), but more people using it more places now is broadening this.

 

I think that covers most of it...lol. 

[J Francho]

I was thinking more of a weedless hook, like a slider or shaky head.

 

Anyway, this is what I actually love about real finesse fishing - so many options, and so many names to call it.  I basically have a dozen or so jig styles, each suited for different things like cover or action, that I throw on light line and spinning tackle.  What's funny, I often simply go back to my favorite: the drop shot.  I have to break out of this pattern.  It's fine when I have located fish, but it sucks for covering water.  I'll stop teasing you guys (not if you over complicate it!) and give it a spin this week.  Poop jigs. 

[Team9nine]

The interesting thing is that nearly every finesse presentation commonly used these days started out and was developed in a specific area, on specific waters, and with specific and subtle nuances built in. Jigworming, Doodle worming, split shotting, slider fishing, hair jigs (the Hoss fly), Neko, dropshot, Pow-RR heads, darthead fishing, Westy worming, etc. Midwest Finesse is really no different in that regard.

[J Francho]

Did you think I was gonna let "westy worming" slide?  I don't know why, but I can't stop laughing at that.

 

Clearly, there's something wrong with me.

[Quarry Man]

I only fish ned rigs in lakes that are really clear and have lots of fish; therefore, i use small sizes with floating baits. i usually let it fall to the bottom. the fall is when they strike. if not, slow reel to the boat. i also like to ned rig grubs. great reeling action. Also, it is a phenomenal bed fishing rig. that is when i call it the bed rig not ned

[deep]

11 hours ago, Team9nine said:

 

Only to Kumar and his BassBlaster buddies, but he's slowly losing the war on this one 

 

 

Ha! He doesn't (seem to) know **** about swimbaits either. Or maybe it's just his sense of humor.

[Team9nine]

4 minutes ago, deep said:

 

Ha! He doesn't (seem to) know **** about swimbaits either. Or maybe it's just his sense of humor.

 

Lol - Kumar is good people, and I think he hangs out here, so I have to poke him every once in a while  I can usually tell when he's grabbed something I've posted. I actually wrote for his BassParade blog for a couple years, which was his venture right before the Blaster. He stays in tune with what's going on in the industry since he's part of it.

[Bluebasser86]

47 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

 

Lol - Kumar is good people, and I think he hangs out here, so I have to poke him every once in a while  I can usually tell when he's grabbed something I've posted. I actually wrote for his BassParade blog for a couple years, which was his venture right before the Blaster. He stays in tune with what's going on in the industry since he's part of it.

He does. He comments occasionally, and I know he's used things I've said a time or two. 

[fishwizzard]

I apologize if this is old news as it is from July, but it is interesting how almost all the points that they make are exactly what the experienced guys here have been saying every time this is brought up.  

 

https://zmanfishing.com/cms/chatter/8-most-common-ned-rig-mistakes/

 

Also, there is this bit sure to please @Darren.

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  While standard 2500 or 3000 size bass reels will work fine, we have found that smaller 1000 size spinning reels usually reserved for trout or panfish are even better, as they are built to handle fine diameter lines. In addition, the smaller spools on 1000 size spinning reels take up less line with each turn of the handle and enable anglers not accustomed to this technique to slow down their presentations.

 

[WRB]

Be the 1st in your neighborhood to flick shaky your Ned rig!

Tom

[Darren.]

34 minutes ago, Bunnielab said:

I apologize if this is old news as it is from July, but it is interesting how almost all the points that they make are exactly what the experienced guys here have been saying every time this is brought up.  

 

https://zmanfishing.com/cms/chatter/8-most-common-ned-rig-mistakes/

 

Also, there is this bit sure to please @Darren.

 

 

I knew there was something about those guys I liked! 

[fishwizzard]

54 minutes ago, WRB said:

Be the 1st in your neighborhood to flick shaky your Ned rig!

Tom

 

You joke, but before I got serious about bass fishing my go to lure was a Hula Stick rigged on a 1/16oz - 1/0 jighead.  I didn't glue them on then and quite often when I missed a hookset I would pull the HS off the jig and re-rig it through the middle, throw it where I got hit, and shake the hell out of it as it fell.  It worked a lot of the time.  I just tried to think like a baitfish that just got bit and was dying.