You guys have done it to me I'm trying again

[Yumeya]

Shimano and be done with it

 

[xxRambo_21xx]

i love my CT type R. its very enjoyable.

[Jeff H]

18 hours ago, Chance_Taker4 said:

 

I wish I could love this post instead of like. I had a T3 Ballistic that I loved. 

But...the T3's were the original T-wing reels and you hate the T-wing??

 

 

[lmbfisherman]

It sounds like definitely user error.  Sorry, but you can't blame a reel that a lot of people use and say they have backlash issues constantly.  I'm sure they wouldn't be so popular then.  I think you should get some help with someone who has experience with setting up a Daiwa reel.

 

Even though I prefer Shimano,  I owned a couple Daiwa reels and in my opinion the Daiwa braking system was a little more user friendly with backlashes. 

[Chance_Taker4]

2 hours ago, lmbfisherman said:

It sounds like definitely user error.  Sorry, but you can't blame a reel that a lot of people use and say they have backlash issues constantly.  I'm sure they wouldn't be so popular then.  I think you should get some help with someone who has experience with setting up a Daiwa reel.

 

Even though I prefer Shimano,  I owned a couple Daiwa reels and in my opinion the Daiwa braking system was a little more user friendly with backlashes. 

This is precisely why I am giving Tats another try, when I had them and got rid of them they were brand new on the market and nobody had info let alone positive reviews for them. The more I hear about them the more I now think that Daiwa reels must tune a little different that Ardent and Abu reels in which I use 97% of the time and would like to give them another shot. The Issues I were dealing with were user errors.

13 hours ago, offsidewing said:

You turn all your brakes off?

 

Yes if you read or watch videos on how to adjust a baitcaster, the proper way is to turn all magnetic brakes off adjust tension knob until lure lands on floor with no over run then apply mag brakes as needed. That is how I adjust all my reels.

[Lil fat guy]

11 hours ago, Chance_Taker4 said:

Yes if you read or watch videos on how to adjust a baitcaster, the proper way is to turn all magnetic brakes off adjust tension knob until lure lands on floor with no over run then apply mag brakes as needed. That is how I adjust all my reels.

 

I don't think this works as well with tatulas.  I think it's why some people don't like them as much.  Fishnkamp knows what he's talking about on setting these up.  I run my tatula ct with a little spool play too.  It's not much at all but it's there.  Mine just didn't cast near as well without some spool play.  It seemed to wanna backlash more until I loosened the spool tension a bit.  I know that's counterintuitive but that was my experience.  I run mine with a little play and the mag breaks usually around 8-10  and have no problems. I think if you set it up like Fishnkamp says you will be happy.  Good luck! 

[Tim Kelly]

I have mainly Daiwas with some shimanos and a couple of Abus. I prefer the daiwas overall, but found that they do require a little different casting stroke than the centrifugal braked reels. A slightly longer smoother casting stroke with less effort launches them perfectly where a shorter more powerful stroke which would work with the shimanos often leads to a backlash.

[HookRz]

On 7/19/2017 at 11:50 AM, d-camarena said:

Its not that peolle dont like shimano. Diawa makes products that stand out visually. They look nice, have nice writing on them, some also have some parts painted in colors that would appeal to a 12 year old. Thats why they are so popular nowadays. Nothing wrong with shimanos, they are every bit as good if not better that any other brand. The problem is the color schemes shimano uses appeal mostly to the older croud. 

Viva the older crowd! I want my rods and reels to look like fishing tackle and my Miata to look like a sports car, not the other way around. 

Seems like bright, shiny things sell these days though. Too many new bass fisherman don't really come from a outdoors tradition. They remind me more of golfers. 

Rant over. 

[d-camarena]

7 hours ago, HookRz said:

Viva the older crowd! I want my rods and reels to look like fishing tackle and my Miata to look like a sports car, not the other way around. 

Seems like bright, shiny things sell these days though. Too many new bass fisherman don't really come from a outdoors tradition. They remind me more of golfers. 

Rant over. 

Im in my late 20's but i find myself reaching for the "older" looking tackle. Last year i bought a lews mach2 reel, awesome reel but the color really bugs me. To the point that it is now my dedicated nephew rod

[fishnkamp]

If you are going to set a new Tatula up like your "other " reels. SAVE YOUR MONEY. YOU WILL NOT BE HAPPY!!!!

 

MagForce Z brakes DO NOT work like every other reel. That is because you can not adjust the centrifugal component of the weights and springs. They are specifically designed to automatically alter the force of the magnets upon the inductor. That inductor is directly attached to the spool. It is the inductor moving within the magnetic field that helps control the initial speed up of the spool. The spool needs to be loose enough to gain speed quickly in order to get the distance, without getting ahead of the line being pulled out by the weight of your lure.  This is one source of a backlash.  It is also why it sounds backwards, but you get more backlashes with Tatulas if you run them without the side play. Run them loose and let the inductor do its job.   

Once the lure gets out towards the end of the cast the momentum is slowing down the weights are moved back in by the spring tension. Now the control is being handled by whatever you set the external brake adjustment dial to.

 

These are very different animals than any other designed reel out there.

 

Other members have already mentioned that the reels respond best with a much less aggressive casting motion. Try being softer and smoother and distance will improve. It is a feel thing of course.  My friend with his MGL was amazed how differently he needed to setup his Shimano reel than my Tatula CT.  Setup wrong and each was a casting nightmare. Set them up correctly and each one was a joy to cast!

He also was amazed how different the best casting motion was for each combo. We could have exchanged reels on our rods and it would be exactly the same results.

[lmbfisherman]

I'm trying to understand "aggressive"?  I don't usually use that much force unless I'm using my BPS PQ or cheaper reel. My Shimanos run well with a nice easy motion, just trying to understand what the "aggressive" is.  I let the rod do the work with the right lure range.  On occasion I will chuck it to get that extra 10'..etc but that is rare.  Usually get good casting without being "forceful".

[Lil fat guy]

1 hour ago, fishnkamp said:

The spool needs to be loose enough to gain speed quickly in order to get the distance, without getting ahead of the line being pulled out by the weight of your lure.  This is one source of a backlash.  It is also why it sounds backwards, but you get more backlashes with Tatulas if you run them without the side play. Run them loose and let the inductor do its job.

 

Fishnkamp, I am glad you explained that.  That was exactly my experience when I first got my tatula ct and I set it up wrong.  I can absolutely see why someone would hate these reels if they set them up wrong.  I set mine up wrong when I first got it and it was a backlashing machine...but after I set it up like you mentioned it casts great! 

[LxVE Bassin]

I am curious to know what exactly the issue was with the t-wing??? I have 2 tatula type r ct reels and they work great for me. The t-wing won't cause backlashes. Were you setting the breaks correctly?

[Chance_Taker4]

As I have admitted and pointed out I have was tuning the reel incorrectly when I first had them. There was not the abundance of information out when I had then since they were pre-orders and I sold then off within a month. The T-wing never caused back lashes but when on the water cutting back lashes out and retreading through the t-wing it takes me more time to thread though it than a traditional guide that's my dislike. I haven't purchased a new Tatula as of this moment as I'm still debating as to what model I what. I need a couple new reel but having already pre-order the new Revos I'm not sure what Tat I need I'm thinking a 7:1 or 8:1 for flipping is what I'll buy Friday once I get paid. I now know what I was doing wrong and will tune it the correct way and see if my opinion has changed.