You guys have done it to me I'm trying again

[Chance_Taker4]

I have so excited when Diawa announced the Tatula originally that I preordered three. But I was never more disappointed more in my life. They were my least farthest casting reel, I couldn't get them dialed in and the T-Wing Design was atrocious in my book. Needless to say they found a new home quick. HOWEVER, the more I keep reading on here about how much everyone loves the new Tatulas (more Diawa love than Shimano love and it shocks me lol). I may need to try them again. If I do which version should I look into picking up?

Im also Contemplating the Fuego so I don't have to deal with the T-wing

[new2BC4bass]

No idea why they were your least furthest casting reels.  Majority of my reels average about the same.  A few do better than the norm.  TT gave the Fuego CT their "Best Value Award".  I've only used the originals so don't know a thing about the new models.  You could up your budget and try a Tatula SV TWS.  First time out I was getting average distances, but distance was increasing as the reel got broke in a bit.  From what I have read it will bomb a heavy lure yet will also handle lighter lures with aplomb.  I didn't get to spend much time with it because the wife was with me and needed to get home.  I am hoping the reel will only get better with use...and me getting more familiar with it.

 

[Chance_Taker4]

2 minutes ago, new2BC4bass said:

No idea why they were your least furthest casting reels.  Majority of my reels average about the same.  A few do better than the norm.  TT gave the Fuego CT their "Best Value Award".  I've only used the originals so don't know a thing about the new models.  You could up your budget and try a Tatula SV TWS.  First time out I was getting average distances, but distance was increasing as the reel got broke in a bit.  From what I have read it will bomb a heavy lure yet will also handle lighter lures with aplomb.  I didn't get to spend much time with it because the wife was with me and needed to get home.  I am hoping the reel will only get better with use...and me getting more familiar with it.

 

Thanks for the recommendation but I don't see there ever being a feature or benefit in a reel that causes me to pay more than $250. I think majority of reel manufactures overprice their reels. 

[Damn Yankee]

You can get the Fuego on the bay for 75 bucks shipped. 

I purchased one about 4 months ago and it is worth twice that.

Well made, bearings in all the right places(12),air rotation and carbon drag ect.Great reel.

[Jeff H]

Please don't buy another Daiwa. It very likely won't meet any of your expectations because they haven't changed anything on them enough that it would satisfy you any more than what you had previously. 

[Chance_Taker4]

7 minutes ago, Jeff H said:

Please don't buy another Daiwa. It very likely won't meet any of your expectations because they haven't changed anything on them enough that it would satisfy you any more than what you had previously. 

I loved how it felt in my hand and how smooth it was. I absolutely hated the T-Wing and I could not keep the dang thing from backlashing and Daiwa is the only company I have had that problem with.

[sully420]

Why try a reel you don't like just because people on this site love them soo much? There are many good reel manufacturers out there abu, shimano,ect. Find the equipment you like you will be the one useing it.

[Chance_Taker4]

Just now, sully420 said:

Why try a reek you don't like just because people on this site live them soo much? There are many good reel manufacturers out there abu, shimano,ect. Find the equipment you like you will be the one useing it.

The majority of my arsenal is Abu, Ardent and Lews. My thought was that the Tatula/Fuego line (With most new products had some bugs at initial release that have been worked out now). The Gen 3 Revos sucked the first year they were released but over the last two years they were great reels. All products not just in the fishing industry has stuff that comes up at initial release and the three I owned were first batch shipments.

[sully420]

I have 2 gen 3 revos and there amazing for me but thats just me. If you are still looking for a brand that works for you try shimano i dont think you could go wrong.

[Chance_Taker4]

Just now, sully420 said:

I have 2 gen 3 revos and there amazing for me but thats just me. If you are still looking for a brand that works for you try shimano i dont think you could go wrong.

I love Abu I have Gen 2 and Gen 3 Revos Sx and STX but with all the rave reviews on the Tatulas I assumed that maybe I should give them another shot since I can get them so cheap on the bay.

[d-camarena]

Its not that peolle dont like shimano. Diawa makes products that stand out visually. They look nice, have nice writing on them, some also have some parts painted in colors that would appeal to a 12 year old. Thats why they are so popular nowadays. Nothing wrong with shimanos, they are every bit as good if not better that any other brand. The problem is the color schemes shimano uses appeal mostly to the older croud. 

[j bab]

I have daiwas, shimanos, and lews. None of them stand out to me as way better than the rest, they all seem good for the price range

[Jeff H]

1 hour ago, Chance_Taker4 said:

I loved how it felt in my hand and how smooth it was. I absolutely hated the T-Wing and I could not keep the dang thing from backlashing and Daiwa is the only company I have had that problem with.

So, it's done and over with. Move on to your happy place.

[new2BC4bass]

33 minutes ago, j bab said:

I have daiwas, shimanos, and lews. None of them stand out to me as way better than the rest, they all seem good for the price range

 Like I said, the majority of my reels cast about the same distance.  I can't afford the high end reels so I may be missing out on the country mile casters.  I do have reels from Daiwa, Shimano, Lew's, Pflueger, Abu, Okuma, BPS, Pinnacle and the unmentionable company.  A lot depends on lure, rod and lure weight.  My Gen 1 STX with 40# braid throws an unweighted 10" ribbontail and 5/0 hook just fine on a 7' MHF Jupiter.  Put a 3/4 oz. spoon on that combo and it flies.

 

A couple reels that do very well with distance casting are my Primmus and Helios Air.  A 50th Anniversary Zillion spooled with 12# Elite and mounted on a Daiwa 7'6" HF will cast a 3/4 oz. spinnerbait so far I'm not sure I could do a good job of setting the hook.

 

It could be the OP isn't familiar enough with Daiwa reels.  I learned on a Daiwa.  I have less trouble with backlashes/over-runs on an Alphas or 105H than on a Curado 51E.  Another person might be the opposite.

[david in va]

I here all about distance, BUT no one ever states how far in yards!!  About 40 yards is as far as I can cast a 5/8 oz lure.

I have Daiwa Tutalas  Shamino Curados  KVD Quantums and kastkings the Tutala may cast a yard or 2 more but is as smooth as silk all are new this year

 Don't waste your money, there is no magic reel as far as distance  

[Chance_Taker4]

1 hour ago, new2BC4bass said:

It could be the OP isn't familiar enough with Daiwa reels.  I learned on a Daiwa.  I have less trouble with backlashes/over-runs on an Alphas or 105H than on a Curado 51E.  Another person might be the opposite.

 

I wish I could love this post instead of like. I had a T3 Ballistic that I loved. I also used the previously stated Tatula and an exceller but I could not cast any of the Excellers or Tatulas more than 20-25 yards without a backlash. I want to love Tatulas because they feel the best in my hand next to Ardent Apex reels. I learned on a Abu Garcia and grew up on Abu and Quantum.

 

30 minutes ago, david in va said:

I here all about distance, BUT no one ever states how far in yards!!  About 40 yards is as far as I can cast a 5/8 oz lure.

I have Daiwa Tutalas  Shamino Curados  KVD Quantums and kastkings the Tutala may cast a yard or 2 more but is as smooth as silk all are new this year

 Don't waste your money, there is no magic reel as far as distance  

As for casting distance. All the reels I own and use range between 38-42 yards. My longest reel and surprisingly my most smoothest is my Ardent Apex Elite. I can launch that thing 40-44 yards easily but that thing needs baby more than any reel I have ever owned (in the maintenance department). If I could get the Tatula/Fuego to cast 30 yards with backlashing consistently I would be perfectly ok with that.

[new2BC4bass]

5 minutes ago, Chance_Taker4 said:

 

I wish I could love this post instead of like. I had a T3 Ballistic that I loved. I also used the previously stated Tatula and an exceller but I could not cast any of the Excellers or Tatulas more than 20-25 yards without a backlash. I want to love Tatulas because they feel the best in my hand next to Ardent Apex reels. I learned on a Abu Garcia and grew up on Abu and Quantum.

 

As for casting distance. All the reels I own and use range between 38-42 yards. My longest reel and surprisingly my most smoothest is my Ardent Apex Elite. I can launch that thing 40-44 yards easily but that thing needs baby more than any reel I have ever owned (in the maintenance department). If I could get the Tatula/Fuego to cast 30 yards with backlashing consistently I would be perfectly ok with that.

 

I never like saying this, but it has to be you.  Sorry.  Those Tats will cast at least as far as your Ardent.  Without backlashing.

[fishnkamp]

Here is my experience and it comes from my own fishing and with meeting up with local BR members and helping them get their gear adjusted correctly.  I just did this last week with one local member. He purchased a brand new Shimano Chronarch MGL. That is a really nice reel. He stated he could not get the internal and external breaking adjusted to cast without backlash issues.

 

Keep in mind a friend introduced me to the Daiwas several years ago and I have since  sold off all my Shimanos and currently own 7 Diawas. I own one Exceler, 4 original Tatula Type Rs, and 2 Tatula CTs.

If you choose to get a Tatula go with the smaller body CT.

 

I had the BR member show me what was happening. He had the internal brakes set with 2 on and 2 off.  We set the external dial to half way and then carefully adjusted the spool tension till the 1/2 ounce jig dropped slow and steady till it hit the ground and caused no overrun.  He was amazed how well it cast with just a few minutes adjusting it.  He nearly cast into my neighbors yard, across the stream out back.  Next i made him feel the amount of side play the spool had within the body of the reel. There was essentially none.

 

This was one of his first baitcasting reels.  He had never cast a Tatula so I brought out my Powell Max 683 CEF rod with a a Tatula CT 6.2-1 ( this is a 6'8 MH Extra Fast tipped rod that I use for regular jigs and swimjigs). I had a 1/2 ounce jig on this as well, so the comparison was close.  I showed him I had the external dial set at 10 out of 20 and the spool tension is set so the spool has about a 1/16 of an inch side play.  The Tatulas need to be set totally differently than any other reel out there.  I actually run the reel a touch looser but had it set this way since he was unfamiliar with it. He was very impressed with it although it did not cast any farther than his reel.  If you understand how the  Mag Force Z brakes work than you can make the Tats work well. Take a look on You Tube under Daiwa MagForce Z and you will find a video covering 3 Daiwa brake systems.

[Chance_Taker4]

3 minutes ago, fishnkamp said:

Here is my experience and it comes from my own fishing and with meeting up with local BR members and helping them get their gear adjusted correctly.  I just did this last week with one local member. He purchased a brand new Shimano Chronarch MGL. That is a really nice reel. He stated he could not get the internal and external breaking adjusted to cast without backlash issues.

 

Keep in mind a friend introduced me to the Daiwas several years ago and I have since I sold off all my Shimanos and currently own 7 Diawas. I own one Exceler, 4 original Tatula Type Rs, and 2 Tatula CTs.

If you choose to get a Tatula go with the smaller body CT.

 

I had the BR member show me what was happening. He had the internal brakes set with 2 on and 2 off.  We set the external dial to half way and then carefully adjusted the spool tension till the 1/2 ounce jig dropped slow and steady till it hit the ground and caused no overrun.  He was amazed how well it cast with just a few minutes adjusting it.  He nearly cast into my neighbors yard, across the stream out back.  Next i made him feel the amount of side play the spool had within the body of the reel. There was essentially none.

 

This was one of his first baitcasting reels.  He had never cast a Tatula so I brought out my Powell Max 683 CEF rod with a a Tatula CT 6.2-1 ( this is a 6'8 MH Extra Fast tipped rod that I use for regular jigs and swimjigs). I had a 1/2 ounce jig on this as well, so the comparison was close.  I showed him I had the external dial set at 10 out of 20 and the spool tension is set so the spool has about a 1/16 of an inch side play.  The Tatulas need to be set totally differently than any other reel out there.  I actually run the reel a touch looser but had it set this way since he was unfamiliar with it. He was very impressed with it although it did not cast any farther than his reel.  If you understand how the  Mag Force Z brakes work than you can make the Tats work well. Take a look on You Tube under Daiwa MagForce Z and you will find a video covering 3 Daiwa brake systems.

I appreciate this very much. I set the reels as I do with all my reel turn all the brakes off. Set the spool tension then fine tune the reel with small brake adjustments but I could never get the Daiwas to tune this way. I am going to look up the videos and figure what I did wrong before pulling the trigger on another one. I want to like them so bad. I like their rods and want to know be in the masses with their reels.

[wet_dream]

33 minutes ago, fishnkamp said:

Here is my experience and it comes from my own fishing and with meeting up with local BR members and helping them get their gear adjusted correctly.  I just did this last week with one local member. He purchased a brand new Shimano Chronarch MGL. That is a really nice reel. He stated he could not get the internal and external breaking adjusted to cast without backlash issues.

 

Keep in mind a friend introduced me to the Daiwas several years ago and I have since I sold off all my Shimanos and currently own 7 Diawas. I own one Exceler, 4 original Tatula Type Rs, and 2 Tatula CTs.

If you choose to get a Tatula go with the smaller body CT.

 

I had the BR member show me what was happening. He had the internal brakes set with 2 on and 2 off.  We set the external dial to half way and then carefully adjusted the spool tension till the 1/2 ounce jig dropped slow and steady till it hit the ground and caused no overrun.  He was amazed how well it cast with just a few minutes adjusting it.  He nearly cast into my neighbors yard, across the stream out back.  Next i made him feel the amount of side play the spool had within the body of the reel. There was essentially none.

 

This was one of his first baitcasting reels.  He had never cast a Tatula so I brought out my Powell Max 683 CEF rod with a a Tatula CT 6.2-1 ( this is a 6'8 MH Extra Fast tipped rod that I use for regular jigs and swimjigs). I had a 1/2 ounce jig on this as well, so the comparison was close.  I showed him I had the external dial set at 10 out of 20 and the spool tension is set so the spool has about a 1/16 of an inch side play.  The Tatulas need to be set totally differently than any other reel out there.  I actually run the reel a touch looser but had it set this way since he was unfamiliar with it. He was very impressed with it although it did not cast any farther than his reel.  If you understand how the  Mag Force Z brakes work than you can make the Tats work well. Take a look on You Tube under Daiwa MagForce Z and you will find a video covering 3 Daiwa brake systems.

 

Hey @fishnkamp,

 

You're reviews/posts praising Daiwa Tatulas were one of the factors in leading me to purchase a couple Tatula CT's. I have a CT Type-R 8.1:1 and a CT 6.3:1. This is coming from someone with no baitcasting experience prior to purchasing these reels. 

 

I have had no complaints with these reels, and I learned how to cast them fairly quickly, but I may be leaving some distance on the table because I've tried to adjust them as you've stated but always seem to get some backlash when setting them up that way.

 

I've had a much better experience when setting them up the traditional way: letting the lure drop and adjusting tension knob so there is no over run when the lure hits the ground. Usually, when adjusting using this method, there is no side to side play on the spool.

 

Curious, that kind of line do you use on your reels? I'm wondering if this may have something to do with it. 

 

Sorry if I hijacked your thread @Chance_Taker4. Just wanted to put my 2 cents in. So from my very limited experience, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend these reels. But maybe I'm not utilizing it to their true potential.

 

I just recently got a Chronarch MGL. Maybe I'll take a day and actually compare it to my CT Type-R. I'll spool them both up with the same line, and throw the same lures on the same rod to see if here's any noticeable casting difference, distance-wise.

 

 

[sully420]

Chance_taker4 what kinds of line are you using and are you using like conditioner?

[DenhamBruce]

Just give one of the new CT models a shot, they can be had for less than 100 bucks on fleabay. I love my tatula and as long as you're setting the reel up properly with the spool tension and magnetic brakes you can't go wrong.

[fishnkamp]

wet-dream I see you are located in southern NJ. How far from the town of Northeast MD are you.  That is where all of the big tournaments go out to fish the upper Chesapeake Bay.  If you were interested I would be willing to do with you exactly what I did with the other member.  I would meet you at Anchor Marine and go to an area nearby for some hands on with your gear and mine.  I can help with both your Tat and MGL.

That location is about an hour and 20 minutes from me.

 

OP here are 3 links on the Tatulas. Note Bret is talking about a Tatula SV TWS which is the latest version.  It is built on the CT body. The Mag Force on all of the Tats get adjusted the same way.

 

 

 

[Chance_Taker4]

1 hour ago, sully420 said:

Chance_taker4 what kinds of line are you using and are you using like conditioner?

 

I use the KVD Line Conditioner and at the time I used the Tats I was using 10# Mono backing and 12-15# Seagaur Red Label now it would be 8# mono backing with 10-12# Vicious Elite Pro Fluorocarbon.

[offsidewing]

You turn all your brakes off?