ICAST 2017 rumors/news?

[Bluebasser86]

9 minutes ago, MittenMouth said:

So even if you are affiliated with the industry you can't register and request a pass? 

I'm not sure exactly how that would work, but I know it's not open to the public.

[dsqui]

 

2 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

I'm not sure exactly how that would work, but I know it's not open to the public.

Wow I cast isn't open to the public kinda messed up

[Glenn]

This is NOT a consumer event. Nobody is selling products anyway. It's NOT a sportsman's show. If you're not there to work, then stay at home.

 

It's not invite only, but they do check your credentials before allowing you to register, and the price tag starts at $100. 

 

Honestly, I wish they would be much more strict about this. They've been letting in too many gawkers, vloggers, and fans the past few years.  The industry and media people are there to work and get things done, and the amateurs get in the way of that.  At best, they're distracting. At worst, they prevent you from getting work done, and/or steal your work.

 

Last year, I was interviewing KVD, and there was a crowd of about 25 fans and vloggers standing right behind the camera (that's a HUGE no-no at this event). One of them had his little home movie sonycam and was standing inches away from my camera. The rest were either recording MY interview with their phones, or snapping flash pictures during it.  Extremely unprofessional.  I later discovered several had posted videos of MY interview on their vlogs. 

 

There's many, many other examples (pushing and crowding out media and buyers, getting in way of your shots, asking for autographs of people while you're trying to interview them, taking items from exhibitor booths, interfering/interrupting meetings, and more unprofessional behavior). I've heard the complaints from my colleagues increase dramatically over the past few years as well, both exhibitors and media. 

 

ICAST used to throw out people who didn't belong there. But it seems they've gone lax on it.  That said, I think the industry folks had enough of it last year, and complained loudly to ICAST.

 

Guys, I understand your excitement, but unless you're working a booth, a wholesaler, or credentialed media from an established company (a personal blog doesn't count), then please stay away from the event and let people do their jobs.

 

Thanks!

[Bobby Uhrig]

It's a freakn dog and pony show. Over priced everything, booth,set up,carpet,lights, cost me 10000 to go every year.  So look at the bassmasters link and as you see ,same cranks jerbaits,frogs,reels,rods,jigs. Oh I'm done ,the innovation is gone. Time for me to come out of retirement as start playing again. 

[fissure_man]

Maybe I’m the only one, but the last two posts leave a sour taste for me.

 

@Glenn the tone of your post comes across as pretty elitist.  Why shouldn’t anyone who qualifies to buy a ticket be allowed to participate?  The rules are on ICAST’s site, and ultimately ICAST gets to decide who is allowed in.

 

“Pirating” interviews and other unprofessional behaviour is not cool, and so there are written and unwritten rules against it.  Otherwise, attending a show like ICAST is probably a great place for the ‘distracting amateurs’ to make some connections and grow.  Like it or not, vloggers are an increasingly important part of sport fishing media, and I’m sure the exhibitors are happy to have their interest and support.  If it’s crowded, that means there’s a lot of interest, and that’s a good thing for you.

 

@Bobby Uhrig You make some great products, but come on  There are plenty of other innovators out there.  Stick to wowing us with your creations and you won’t have to toot your own horn, your customers will do it for you.

[Glenn]

23 minutes ago, fissure_man said:

@Glenn the tone of your post comes across as pretty elitist.

 

Not elitist at all - nothing further from the truth.  How would you like it if you were trying to do your job, and a bunch of people who know nothing about your job jumped in your way and interfered with your work - preventing you from doing your job, and then stole your work and called it their own? 

 

Please tell me how being upset about that is "elitist". 

 

Now if you're there to legitimately work instead of gawk, then learn the ropes and professional etiquette before barging on the scene without respect for the other professionals around you.  We all work together and help each other out.  It's mutual respect and professionalism.

 

Again, it's not a sportsman's show.  It's a professional trade show.  Big difference.

[Cgolf]

2 hours ago, Glenn said:

 

Not elitist at all - nothing further from the truth.  How would you like it if you were trying to do your job, and a bunch of people who know nothing about your job jumped in your way and interfered with your work - preventing you from doing your job, and then stole your work and called it their own? 

 

Please tell me how being upset about that is "elitist". 

 

Now if you're there to legitimately work instead of gawk, then learn the ropes and professional etiquette before barging on the scene without respect for the other professionals around you.  We all work together and help each other out.  It's mutual respect and professionalism.

 

Again, it's not a sportsman's show.  It's a professional trade show.  Big difference.

Curious if you mentioned this to the ones closest to you? Helping educate some of the newbies on the do's and donts of covering the show might be appreciated by some. Heck they all gotta start somewhere and with proper mentoring they can become respectful journalists. Heck if it gets too bad it could impact even you by them banning all net based sites from the show, time will tell. 

[Ktho]

9 minutes ago, cgolf said:

Curious if you mentioned this to the ones closest to you? Helping educate some of the newbies on the do's and donts of covering the show might be appreciated by some. Heck they all gotta start somewhere and with proper mentoring they can become respectful journalists. Heck if it gets too bad it could impact even you by them banning all net based sites from the show, time will tell. 

 

DO: work for a retailer, manufacturer, distributor, or publication in their media/marketing dept.

 

DON'T: Decide Icast is a good time to decide start a freelance career

[Cgolf]

2 minutes ago, Ktho said:

 

DO: work for a retailer, manufacturer, distributor, or publication in their media/marketing dept.

 

DON'T: Decide Icast is a good time to decide start a freelance career

 

Agreed, but @Glenn as far as I know is only there based on the Bass Resource site. What I am talking about is the folks there from other sites like this for the first time that aren't showing the proper etiquette. I was just tossing out throwing some words of advice to these folks could help them out, since they don't realize what they are doing is wrong. Complaining about them to iCast won't change their behaviors, but with time they too could be a good information resource like Glenn. 

 

Does a website = a publication nowadays?

[Ktho]

36 minutes ago, cgolf said:

 

Agreed, but @Glenn as far as I know is only there based on the Bass Resource site. What I am talking about is the folks there from other sites like this for the first time that aren't showing the proper etiquette. I was just tossing out throwing some words of advice to these folks could help them out, since they don't realize what they are doing is wrong. Complaining about them to iCast won't change their behaviors, but with time they too could be a good information resource like Glenn. 

 

Does a website = a publication nowadays?

 

Digital media is much a real and large player. Owning/running the largest largemouth bass focused website would garner some interest. What really would get their interest though whether it's Glenn or someone else is the impact that their site has. It's business, numbers rule, clicks and views baby. I have no doubt this website does a lot better than other digital, print or other sources.

[Cgolf]

For products looking forward to the Fireline ultra 8, use the original on all my spinning reels. The 3" TRD Hogz looks interesting, perhaps a good Helgie imitation. Also want to pick up the baby menace, see lots of applications for that. 

 

As as for the innovation factor, there are still some possibilities out there, but now it is mostly tweaks to other baits. Heck even the Whopper plopper is a tweak on a Musky bait. The Prank popper/crank thing comes to mind, I may have to try one of those, kind of a cool idea. 

[fissure_man]

4 hours ago, Glenn said:

 

Please tell me how being upset about that is "elitist". 

 

 

I can understand the frustration, but it’s the organizers of ICAST that choose who gets to attend.  If ICAST deems someone sufficiently qualified and they buy a ticket, then it’s fair game for them to show up.

 

The elitist part comes from suggesting that “vloggers”, “distracting amateurs”, and “people who know nothing about your job” (all of whom ICAST deemed qualified to attend) should bow out of participating to thin the crowds and make life easier for the likes of bassresource.com.  Why would they? 

 

I’m not advocating for unprofessionalism or theft, but to an extent I’d say dealing with trade show crowds is PART of the job, not something that prevents the job from being done.  ICAST has clear rules about filming and photography, if you’re unhappy with the enforcement then that’s something to take up with ICAST (or confront the offender directly). 

 

Being annoyed at inappropriate behavior is different than requesting that the “little fish” politely stay home while the “big kids” get their work done.  The latter is how the first post came across to me, maybe I got it wrong.

[Megastink]

Can we get back on track and post new products?

[Glenn]

46 minutes ago, fissure_man said:

Being annoyed at inappropriate behavior is different than requesting that the “little fish” politely stay home while the “big kids” get their work done.  The latter is how the first post came across to me, maybe I got it wrong

 

That's not how I meant it at all. Apologies if it came across that way.  I'm speaking specifically of the " Wow Icast isn't open to the public kinda messed up" comment, and stating WHY it's not open to the public.  Plus the fact that ICAST seems to be letting more and more of the public in - people who have no business being there.  Those are the folks causing the problems, not the "little fish".

 

Every year, there's a group of people that are like "Oh hey, there's a fishing show...I think I'll go sneak in." and then cause many of the problems I outlined.

 

Yes, many of the attendees do report those people, and they get escorted off the premises.  But the issue is that A) ICAST is doing a poor job of screening those people out in the first place, and B ) Too many people think it's ok to sneak in "just to look around".  Again ICAST needs to make their rules clear, upfront.

 

28 minutes ago, Megastink said:

Can we get back on track and post new products?

 

Agreed.  Too much has already been overblown and said.  So, back to topic at hand.

 

Booyah just introduced the Flex II Squarebill.  It's a foam-filled squarebill that acts like a balsa crankbait. I've been fortunate to try it out the past month.  Here's my review: https://www.bassresource.com/fishing_lures/flex-II-squarebill-review.html

[Cgolf]

9 minutes ago, Glenn said:

 

 

Booyah just introduced the Flex II Squarebill.  It's a foam-filled squarebill that acts like a balsa crankbait. I've been fortunate to try it out the past month.  Here's my review: https://www.bassresource.com/fishing_lures/flex-II-squarebill-review.html

 

Any word if they bring the old X cal squarebill back? That was an awesome bait, liked that better than the lipless they brought forward in the Booyah line. That would be a very pleasent surprise.

[Montanaro]

Sunlines cranking fc is exactly the same as their reaction fc....except colorless....are you kidding?!

 

Their siglon pe.x8 looks interesting.  Wonder how it differs from their bx/fx

[Glenn]

1 hour ago, cgolf said:

liked that better than the lipless they brought forward in the Booyah line.

 

The One Knocker is the same lure as the Xcalibur XR50 and XR75.  Many people don't know that.

[rboat]

Icast is a huge event, in a giant venue. I don't see why they could not add a day at the end and sell tickets to the general public. It would allow consumers a chance to come in and see all of the new stuff to get excited about and drive sales once the new items hit retail shelves. Lets face it, there would not even be an Icast without the consumers buying the products in the end game. They could save the last day for a public preview day. After Glenn and all of the companies have completed their work. General public could enter and view the new offerings that will enter the market. They would probably make enough on tickets that last day to pay for the entire event.

 

PS. Is Bill Lewis going to have the smaller size stutterstep out by then? 

[Bobby Uhrig]

Not trying to toot just if you go to icast you will see what I mean. I've talked to so many people that say the same thing .  Believe me I use plenty of other companies lures. If it's catching fish I'm using it. It's just that I want to see new and innovative products. Again same frog with different paint jobs with someone else's name on it. I believe that the #1 issue with frogs is hook up ratios  so move the freaknhook .crank baits  ,do the death roll. Swim baits all swim good but dummy Bucca s probably impressed me the most but don't tell him. His head is bigger than mine .  Cmon find the triggering qualities and apply them to new creations. Functionality is key. 

 

 

And for the record  I'm scoping out where Glenn is filming and going to all of the sudden get a case of whooping cough. 

[Bobby Uhrig]

Ok here's my thought. I think that the most important piece of equipment or item to the fishing industry every year is the technology of fish finders. These things are a huge part of anglers arsenals now. Without them fishing off shore is a waste of time.  16 inch screens and unbelievable detailed imaging, gps   it's like playing video games.  It's probably the weakest part of my fishing skills.  The younger anglers brought up in the computer age have this stuff down pat.  Make them so old men like me can play. 

And l forgot. In closing happy 4th and I would protect all of you with my life . 

[roadwarrior]

3 hours ago, Bobby Uhrig said:

Make them so old men like me can play. 

 

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On 7/1/2017 at 6:16 AM, Bluebasser86 said:

Unless it's changed this year, it's invitation only. 

 

Its a trade show, so technically you have to be in the business, but give them $150, and you are in. I'm registered, but I'm skipping it, I am going to Korea instead.

[Cgolf]

5 hours ago, Bobby Uhrig said:

Ok here's my thought. I think that the most important piece of equipment or item to the fishing industry every year is the technology of fish finders. These things are a huge part of anglers arsenals now. Without them fishing off shore is a waste of time.  16 inch screens and unbelievable detailed imaging, gps   it's like playing video games.  It's probably the weakest part of my fishing skills.  The younger anglers brought up in the computer age have this stuff down pat.  Make them so old men like me can play. 

And l forgot. In closing happy 4th and I would protect all of you with my life . 

 

Not a waste of time, all I use my finder for is a depth reading. Not buying into the new flashy technology, with it I might have never hooked up last week with the Smallie of a lifetime that we lost inches from the net. Take your pick, do you spend the time casting, maybe hooking up with a solitary giant or finding a school, or spend the time motoring around eyes glued to a screen. For me I would rather be fishing:) 

 

I do see the plus sides of if for tourney anglers though during pre fishing to find fish and not disturbing them until it is go time. 

[Montanaro]

Icast is usually disappointing yes.

 

But you gotta realize that its not easy for companies to constantly come up with new lure designs or concepts every single year and stay profitable.

 

Everyone is usually reinventing the wheel.

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13 hours ago, Montanaro said:

Icast is usually disappointing yes.

 

But you gotta realize that its not easy for companies to constantly come up with new lure designs or concepts every single year and stay profitable.

 

Everyone is usually reinventing the wheel.

 

You see this in most sporting goods hard goods. The equipment is better than required, and in no way the limiting factor to success. This leaves the industry with having to emphasize or even imagine miniscule or dubious "advantages" and "innovations". Having attended several different trade shows in sporting goods I'll leave ya'll with this:

Just because you like sausage and hot dogs doesn't mean it's a good idea to tour a slaughter house, and if you do, don't be "shocked" when they sweep the bits into the grinder