Copolymer vs. fluorocarbon for crankbaits

[MN Fisher]

12 minutes ago, Brad Reams said:

great thread! 

so from reading this I'm going to try Yozuri Hybrid 12lb mono FC coated

 

Old thread - but still a goodie.

 

Hybrid isn't FC coated, it's a proprietary process that bonds mono and FC together. See pic

 

I use YZH on my crank rigs (1BC, 1 Spinning) and on two other rigs that I want sinking line with. It does have a larger diameter than other lines at the same test-strength, but tests have also shown that it's breaking strength is higher than what's stated on the specs - 4# test actually breaks at a bit over 6#.

 

I'm sold on it - and quite a few others here are also regular users of it.

[Brad Reams]

12 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

Old thread - but still a goodie.

 

Hybrid isn't FC coated, it's a proprietary process that bonds mono and FC together. See pic

 

I use YZH on my crank rigs (1BC, 1 Spinning) and on two other rigs that I want sinking line with. It does have a larger diameter than other lines at the same test-strength, but tests have also shown that it's breaking strength is higher than what's stated on the specs - 4# test actually breaks at a bit over 6#.

 

I'm sold on it - and quite a few others here are also regular users of it.

awesome info/advice!  

That's exactly what I want it for my Crankbait rods.  

I'll definitely give it a shot now, thanks

[basser27]

I would personally use 10-12lb big game

[Heartland]

On 6/28/2017 at 9:39 PM, TheMississippiOutdoorsman said:

I rarely ever throw crankbaits, and actually just getting a cranking setup after 3 years of serious bass fishing, and figured I was missing out on an important skill, so I'm going to invest into a cranking setup, (st. croix premier 7'MH and Lews BB-1) and I was wondering what king of line to use, obviously braid and mono are out because they float

Sorry Man, but I think you got this wrong.   Mono is very good for fishing crankbaits and treble hooks.

[MN Fisher]

2 minutes ago, Heartland said:

Sorry Man, but I think you got this wrong.   Mono is very good for fishing crankbaits and treble hooks.

Realize you're replying to someone who hasn't even logged into the forum since Aug 2017...

[Heartland]

No, I didn't bother to look.

 

 

[OkobojiEagle]

Trolling will usually get your crankbait deeper than casting will...

[Todd2]

8 to 10 lb Stren for me..If it ain't broke don't fix it.

[ike8120]

I use 12#- 15# Copolymer

[Tizi]

Yozuri Hybrid is what I use, except for jerkbaits, I use Invisx.  For big swimbaits, I use Big Game.

[MN Fisher]

46 minutes ago, Tizi said:

Yozuri Hybrid is what I use, except for jerkbaits, I use Invisx.  For big swimbaits, I use Big Game.

Jerkbaits I use mono - Stren Original 10# test.

Swimbaits - I haven't dived into that rabbit-hole yet.

[Tizi]

1 minute ago, MN Fisher said:

Jerkbaits I use mono - Stren Original 10# test.

Swimbaits - I haven't dived into that rabbit-hole yet.

Once you start heading down that hole, you can't get back out, think Sagittarius A Star (super massive black hole).

[MN Fisher]

3 minutes ago, Tizi said:

Once you start heading down that hole, you can't get back out, think Sagittarius A Star (super massive black hole).

I was initially going for Cygnus X-1, but Sag-A is probably a better example of how deep that hole can get.

[Tizi]

8 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

I was initially going for Cygnus X-1, but Sag-A is probably a better example of how deep that hole can get.

Cygnus X-1 is like 15 times the mass of the sun, Sag-A is 2.6 million times the mass of the sun...

 

Cygnus X-1 is an excellent Rush song...

[Luke Barnes]

Glad someone bumped this thread! I found it on Google haha. 

 

Is the advantage of flourocarbon over copoly mainly sensitivity? If copoly sinks, has good resistances and is darn near invisible underwater, it seems sensitivity is the only difference. 

[WRB]

On June 28, 2017 at 7:39 PM, TheMississippiOutdoorsman said:

I rarely ever throw crankbaits, and actually just getting a cranking setup after 3 years of serious bass fishing, and figured I was missing out on an important skill, so I'm going to invest into a cranking setup, (st. croix premier 7'MH and Lews BB-1) and I was wondering what king of line to use, obviously braid and mono are out because they float

Mono is your best choice for deep diving crankbaits. The diving depth isn't affected by the type of line used, the diameter has more impact.

FC line doesn't cast as easy as mono and cranking requires hundreds of casts, wearing out the line. If you can afford changing out the line often it becomes a choice deciding if weaker knot strength is worth it.

Sunline Armillo Nylon 11 lb is the optimal cranking line IMO, followed by 10 lb Big Game.

I have caught thousands of bass cranking with mono line over 50 years without any issues.

Tom

 

[Luke Barnes]

9 minutes ago, WRB said:

Mono is your best choice for deep diving crankbaits. The diving depth isn't affected by the type of line used, the diameter has more impact.

FC line doesn't cast as easy as mono and cranking requires hundreds of casts, wearing out the line. If you can afford changing out the line often it becomes a choice deciding if weaker knot strength is worth it.

Sunline Armillo Nylon 11 lb is the optimal cranking line IMO, followed by 10 lb Big Game.

I have caught thousands of bass cranking with mono line over 50 years without any issues.

Tom

 

But once you start using the line to fish on the bottom, is fluoro that much more sensitive than mono?

[WRB]

No line is sensitive. 

Lure feedback is a combination of coeffient of drag going through water reducing line bow between your rod tip and the lure and your ability to detect changes is line movements.

FC has the lowest coeffient of line drag of all of today's line types. The downside is FC has the weakest knot strength of all line types.

Tom

[Luke Barnes]

2 minutes ago, WRB said:

No line is sensitive. 

Lure feedback is a combination of coeffient of drag going through water reducing line bow between your rod tip and the lure and your ability to detect changes is line movements.

FC has the lowest coeffient of line drag of all of today's line types. The downside is FC has the weakest knot strength of all line types.

Tom

I have no idea what you just said haha. So FC would be the most "sensitive" based on how it transmits vibration from the lure, through the line which is in the water, to the rod? 

[dodgeguy]

42 minutes ago, Luke Barnes said:

Glad someone bumped this thread! I found it on Google haha. 

 

Is the advantage of flourocarbon over copoly mainly sensitivity? If copoly sinks, has good resistances and is darn near invisible underwater, it seems sensitivity is the only difference. 

flourocarbon is no more sensitive than Sufix advance mono. Advance is a copoly with extremely low stretch.

[Luke Barnes]

25 minutes ago, dodgeguy said:

flourocarbon is no more sensitive than Sufix advance mono. Advance is a copoly with extremely low stretch.

Ive got HiSeas Grand Slam copoly on my cranking rod so never worked the bottom and had to worry so much about bite detection. I wonder how it would fair on a t rig?

[WRB]

48 minutes ago, Luke Barnes said:

I have no idea what you just said haha. So FC would be the most "sensitive" based on how it transmits vibration from the lure, through the line which is in the water, to the rod? 

No, line doesn't vibrate underwater, the water dampens vibration. What we feel is line moving not vibrating.

FC stretches the same as mono or any coploymer, stretch is misunderstood. We feel the bow in the one tightening not strecthing.

If you want to detect line movements run it over your finger tip, finger tips are sensitive.

Tom

[Luke Barnes]

45 minutes ago, WRB said:

No, line doesn't vibrate underwater, the water dampens vibration. What we feel is line moving not vibrating.

FC stretches the same as mono or any coploymer, stretch is misunderstood. We feel the bow in the one tightening not strecthing.

If you want to detect line movements run it over your finger tip, finger tips are sensitive.

Tom

Ok that makes alot of sense. I get it now. So the less drag the easier the line moves through the water. 

[WRB]

1 hour ago, Luke Barnes said:

Ok that makes alot of sense. I get it now. So the less drag the easier the line moves through the water. 

Yep

[Bankc]

11 hours ago, WRB said:

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If you want to detect line movements run it over your finger tip, finger tips are sensitive.

Tom

That's how I was raised.  I'm always surprised at how many people talk about wanting ultra sensitive rods and lines, and no one ever talks about just placing their finger on the line.  I don't even look at my rod most of the time.  The visual information distracts me from feeling what's actually going on down there.