Copolymer vs. fluorocarbon for crankbaits

[TheMississippiOutdoorsman]

I rarely ever throw crankbaits, and actually just getting a cranking setup after 3 years of serious bass fishing, and figured I was missing out on an important skill, so I'm going to invest into a cranking setup, (st. croix premier 7'MH and Lews BB-1) and I was wondering what king of line to use, obviously braid and mono are out because they float

[Dtrombly]

I use fluoro. Most, if not all, crankbait manufacturers advertised depths is based off of using 12lb fluoro 

[Angry John]

I use 10 lb yhb.  It's a strong line it sinks almost as fast as full flouro but the knot strength is waaaaay better.  Don't have time for overly complicated knots or line that burns like a Christmas tree in a bonfire.

[CroakHunter]

30Lb braid is what I crank with. With the thinner diameter I feel like it makes the baits run deeper to me. That is just my opinion not a proven fact. 

[papajoe222]

When it comes to cranking, a floating line makes absolutely no difference in the running depth of the lure, line diameter is the determining factor.  Matter of fact, most manufacturers use 10lb mono for their suggested running depth.  Mono, however has more stretch than fluoro, so many anglers prefer it.  I've used fluoro for cranking, but issues with memory and line breakage turned me off.  I now use 10-12lb. Yo-Zuri Hybrid YltraSoft for all my cranking applications. I even have one reel spooled with 6lb.  It's breaking point is well above the listed lb. test.

[smalljaw67]

7 hours ago, Dtrombly said:

I use fluoro. Most, if not all, crankbait manufacturers advertised depths is based off of using 12lb fluoro 

 

I don't want to contradict you but almost all of the diving depths of crankbaits are based off of 10# to 12# mono. There may be Japanese baits or some newer baits on the market that use fluorocarbon as a depth gauge but every single Rapala DT, Bomber, Bandit, Berkley, Bagley, Storm, and Yo-Zuri as well are all based on 10# -12# mono. I know this because I have asked that question repeatedly to each one of those companies listed, my specific question was as follows: " with the popularity of fluorocarbon line being at a peak, are your crankbait depths based on fluorocarbon or mono and which strength line is used"? The answer I got was almost identical from each manufacturer with some minor differences, like Yo-Zuri told me their depths are based off of nylon line using diameters that would be equivalent to 10# monofilament. Berkley was the only one that used 12# mono but acknowledged it would depend on line diameter and Bagley went a step further by stating that even though fluorocarbon is immensely popular right now, diving depths are still based off of mono since it is still the most commonly used line. I say this because your statement is how misinformation gets spread, it is one thing to have an opinion or guess but stating something as fact when it isn't gives all of us bad info. I'd suggest contacting some of the newer manufacturers and see what they say, the ones I listed are the ones I got in touch with but like I said, it is possible that newer companies are using fluorocarbon but I would still think the majority of them use mono for testing depth but make some inquiries and let us know, I'd like to find out if any one is using fluorocarbon for depth.

[NHBull]

832 sinks.......and I have 10 lb on my crankbait rods.  I believe it sinks at the same rate as my 15 lb Tatsu.....one surface tentioner is broken, most braid with get down there and if there is a bow in the line, I see it as an absorber 

[Dtrombly]

1 hour ago, smalljaw67 said:

 

I don't want to contradict you but almost all of the diving depths of crankbaits are based off of 10# to 12# mono. There may be Japanese baits or some newer baits on the market that use fluorocarbon as a depth gauge but every single Rapala DT, Bomber, Bandit, Berkley, Bagley, Storm, and Yo-Zuri as well are all based on 10# -12# mono. I know this because I have asked that question repeatedly to each one of those companies listed, my specific question was as follows: " with the popularity of fluorocarbon line being at a peak, are your crankbait depths based on fluorocarbon or mono and which strength line is used"? The answer I got was almost identical from each manufacturer with some minor differences, like Yo-Zuri told me their depths are based off of nylon line using diameters that would be equivalent to 10# monofilament. Berkley was the only one that used 12# mono but acknowledged it would depend on line diameter and Bagley went a step further by stating that even though fluorocarbon is immensely popular right now, diving depths are still based off of mono since it is still the most commonly used line. I say this because your statement is how misinformation gets spread, it is one thing to have an opinion or guess but stating something as fact when it isn't gives all of us bad info. I'd suggest contacting some of the newer manufacturers and see what they say, the ones I listed are the ones I got in touch with but like I said, it is possible that newer companies are using fluorocarbon but I would still think the majority of them use mono for testing depth but make some inquiries and let us know, I'd like to find out if any one is using fluorocarbon for depth.

Thanks for clearing that up, that's just what I've always heard and I've also heard Kevin Van Dam himself back that up. Which is why I assumed it was true 

[tander]

Mono is the only line I have ever used, did try FC but didn't like it. Like others have said, diameterin of the line is the factor in how deep a crankbait dives. Seems like most people are concern with cranks running deeper. If you want it to run deeper, use a different crank to run the depth you want.

[buzzed bait]

for me, i'm just not wasting good $ on good fluorocarbon for crankbaits....  i retie too often, cut off abrasions, etc. and it would be costly to use flurocarbon.  i've been using 10lb big game mono or 10lb yo zuri hybrid for the most part.  i prefer the big game as it is cheap, easy to find and works well.  i've considered throwing them on braid, but haven't made that leap yet.  i fish braid on almost all my other rigs, but haven't made that switch on the cranking rig just yet!

[smalljaw67]

4 hours ago, Dtrombly said:

Thanks for clearing that up, that's just what I've always heard and I've also heard Kevin Van Dam himself back that up. Which is why I assumed it was true 

 

No problem, and the pros are the worst at spreading bad info!! Like the use of fluorocarbon because it has no stretch, then low stretch, and now it is fluorocarbon leaders to provide some stretch. I think they just use talking points given to them by the manufacturer. I use mono for cranks and using a good mono with good abrasion resistance and small diameter works well and the only advantage I see with fluorocarbon is the fact it sinks, you get a little extra depth along with the clarity but in stained water the clarity isn't as big of a factor.

[Team9nine]

As you can probably tell, it will come down to personal preference when all is said and done. Personally, I'm straight fluorocarbon for cranking...and most everything else. I like the added feel (vs. mono/copoly) and abrasion resistance. Running depth is no different than mono or copoly of the same diameter.

 

-T9

[Scarborough817]

i use 30 lb braid to an 8 lb fluro leader 

[Mike L]

3 hours ago, Team9nine said:

As you can probably tell, it will come down to personal preference when all is said and done. Personally, I'm straight fluorocarbon for cranking...and most everything else. I like the added feel (vs. mono/copoly) and abrasion resistance. Running depth is no different than mono or copoly of the same diameter.

 

-T9

 

Ditto

 

 

 

 

Mike

[WRB]

First and foremost the line needs to be a good casting qualities and have good impact and abrasion resistance. 

When fishing deep diving crankbaits you make a lot of long related casts so the line gets stressed and should be changed on a regular bases, price is a factor to consider.'

Everything being considered a premium monofilament line is a good choice and I have used Berkeley Big Game 12# green mono line for crankbaits for decades and caught thousands of bass.

Tom

[Catt]

Paul Elias, Mark Davis, & David Fritts all use 12# mono & 5.1:1 gear ratio!

 

Just saying

[Dtrombly]

2 minutes ago, Catt said:

Paul Elias, Mark Davis, & David Fritts all use 12# mono & 5.1:1 gear ratio!

 

Just saying

Fritts recently switched to braid for cranking. 

[Catt]

Just now, Dtrombly said:

Fritts recently switched to braid for cranking. 

 

When I saw him recently on the Sabine river he had switched back but that was a couple months ago.

[long island basser]

This year I've been using Sunline Shooter Defier Armilo in 13 and 15 lb and loving it.

[Dtrombly]

14 hours ago, Catt said:

 

When I saw him recently on the Sabine river he had switched back but that was a couple months ago.

*** put up a youtube video of him talking about it in January. I'm not surprised he switched back.. thought he had lost his mind when I saw that video. Lol 

 

Does this site censor EVERYTHING? 

[WRB]

20 minutes ago, long island basser said:

This year I've been using Sunline Shooter Defier Armilo in 13 and 15 lb and loving it.

It's excellent cranking line, just a little too high price for my everyday use because I  change out regularly. I do use the 11 lb Armilo Nylon for my smaller 1/2 -5/8 oz cranks and lipless, the bigger 3/4-1 oz deep divers can really stress out line.

Tom

[Raul]

On 6/28/2017 at 9:39 PM, TheMississippiOutdoorsman said:

 mono are out because they float

 

WHUT ?!? 

 

Dang, I've been doing it "wrong" for the past 45 years, who would have known ? 

 

 

14 hours ago, Dtrombly said:

*** put up a youtube video of him talking about it in January. I'm not surprised he switched back.. thought he had lost his mind when I saw that video. Lol 

 

Does this site censor EVERYTHING? 

 

Nope, it only censors prophanity, a few select manufacturers and sites.

[roadwarrior]

14 hours ago, Dtrombly said:

*** put up a youtube video of him talking about it in January. I'm not surprised he switched back.. thought he had lost his mind when I saw that video. Lol 

 

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[Angry John]

On 6/29/2017 at 3:27 PM, WRB said:

First and foremost the line needs to be a good casting qualities and have good impact and abrasion resistance. 

When fishing deep diving crankbaits you make a lot of long related casts so the line gets stressed and should be changed on a regular bases, price is a factor to consider.'

Everything being considered a premium monofilament line is a good choice and I have used Berkeley Big Game 12# green mono line for crankbaits for decades and caught thousands of bass.

Tom

What??? you mean bass can be caught on line that is not the latest and greatest pitched by KVD and 40 dollars for 200 yards.  I appreciate some people here keeping it real sometimes.  Heck maybe even spend that line money on a good rod or reel.

[Brad Reams]

great thread! 

so from reading this I'm going to try Yozuri Hybrid 12lb mono FC coated