Braid on Spinning Reel

[Robert Riley]

I always like to try new braid as i havent found something i really like for spinning set ups. Ive got some 20lb Suffix 832 and Ive been having so much trouble with knots forming along the line.

 

It looks like the knots form because the line hits a guide, stops, and all the line bunches up at that guide. Once i have one knot, i cant cast as far and soon another, bigger knot forms. Is it the braid that is the problem or something else?

 

Im also using a 8lb FC leader, i cut the leader down so the knot never hit the guides and that helped a little bit. 

[frosty]

Wow, that's weird. Is your spool over filled? It should be about an 1/8" from the edge of the spool. I've got 20lb pp on my spinning rod and I've never had issues like that. 

[PatrickKnight]

I use 10-20 regular Power Pro with zero issues. I don't use any rods with micro guides and when I use a leader its 8-15 lb mono joined with either a FG knot (if I feel like taking the time) or an Alberto knot.

[NHBull]

Did it start immediately after spooling new braid?

[Largemouth21]

2 hours ago, frosty said:

Wow, that's weird. Is your spool over filled? It should be about an 1/8" from the edge of the spool. I've got 20lb pp on my spinning rod and I've never had issues like that. 

X2 I love the powerpro line

[the reel ess]

PowerPro 20 lb braid is all I use on my dedicated bass spinning combos. I'm guessing you're referring to the knot to your leader is catching on a guide??? I usually tie a leader so short that I can cast it without reeling it up or I just don't use a leader at all. Either way, I've never experienced that issue. I just checked and I have about a 2.5' leader on both rods. I can actually reel up the knot and cast it with no problem. I'm using a surgeon's knot to the leader. It's a lot easier to tie than the others for me.

[XpressJeff]

X 3 or 4, no issues at all with Power Pro 20 lb on spinning gear

 

I would look for another issue than the line being your culprit!

[frosty]

7 hours ago, PatrickKnight said:

I use 10-20 regular Power Pro with zero issues. I don't use any rods with micro guides and when I use a leader its 8-15 lb mono joined with either a FG knot (if I feel like taking the time) or an Alberto knot.

I have micro guides on my spinning rod and I use a 10lb leader tied with a double uni knot, I can cast even if the knot gets into the guides, it just makes weird noises when I do

[HeavyTwenty]

Sounds like something else... I've noticed the 832 bunching up whenever I'm tying a knot and it touches a rough callus on my hand or something (I just straighten it out). Maybe your guide is damaged?

[frosty]

13 minutes ago, HeavyTwenty said:

Sounds like something else... I've noticed the 832 bunching up whenever I'm tying a knot and it touches a rough callus on my hand or something (I just straighten it out). Maybe your guide is damaged?

That makes sense. Try using a Q-tip and rub it around the inside of your guides and see if it tears it. 

[Robert Riley]

13 hours ago, NHBull said:

Did it start immediately after spooling new braid?

Yes, and it's just gotten worse. 

 

15 hours ago, frosty said:

Wow, that's weird. Is your spool over filled? It should be about an 1/8" from the edge of the spool. I've got 20lb pp on my spinning rod and I've never had issues like that. 

No, and if anything it has slowly become underfilled haha.

11 hours ago, the reel ess said:

PowerPro 20 lb braid is all I use on my dedicated bass spinning combos. I'm guessing you're referring to the knot to your leader is catching on a guide??? I usually tie a leader so short that I can cast it without reeling it up or I just don't use a leader at all. Either way, I've never experienced that issue. I just checked and I have about a 2.5' leader on both rods. I can actually reel up the knot and cast it with no problem. I'm using a surgeon's knot to the leader. It's a lot easier to tie than the others for me.

At first I had thought it might have been the leader knot causing the other knot, but as I cut my leader down to about a foot, so it never collided with a guide, I still had the problem.

[Falkus]

23 hours ago, the reel ess said:

PowerPro 20 lb braid is all I use on my dedicated bass spinning combos. I'm guessing you're referring to the knot to your leader is catching on a guide??? I usually tie a leader so short that I can cast it without reeling it up or I just don't use a leader at all. Either way, I've never experienced that issue. I just checked and I have about a 2.5' leader on both rods. I can actually reel up the knot and cast it with no problem. I'm using a surgeon's knot to the leader. It's a lot easier to tie than the others for me.

 

Dang - been using 6 feet leader on my wacky rod.  In the past, I used to 24 inch leader but just prefer 6 feet for some reason and better release.

 

10 Lbs white braid line with 8 lbs Seaguar Red Label is what I use and It has not yet failed.  Call me paranoid but I just don't like the fish being distracted by the white braid line in the strike zone. 

 

[the reel ess]

1 hour ago, Burke said:

 

Dang - I use like 6 feet leader on my wacky rod. I used to have like 24 inch leader. I Just prefer 6 feet for some reason and better release. I use 10 Lbs white braid line with 8 lbs Seaguar Red Label. It has never failed me *Yet*  Call me paranoid but I just don't like the fish being distracted by the white braid line in the strike zone. 

 

Yeah, I use green PP. It's less visible in the permanently stained water here. I used to use no leader with pretty good results. But I thought I'd try a leader just to see if it helps. I can't really say that is has, but it hasn't hurt anything.

[Team9nine]

Something isn't adding up. I run two different outfits with 832, six pound and ten pound line, almost always with 4'-6' leaders, and can't say I've ever run into the issue you're describing....with any braid I've tried, actually. Almost sounds more like a rod issue - improper size or spacing on those first guides. Strange.

[MickD]

It sounds to me like the line is severely twisted.  When it is you can usually see the uneven reflection of light coming off the line, but the best test would be to take the lure and snap off and trail the line, all of it, off the stern for a few minutes, then lightly tension it as you reel it in.  

 

It is also worth your while to test all your guide rings, including tiptop, for cracks.  Use dry Q-tips and gently twist them inside the guides from both directions.  If a guide ring is cracked the crack will catch the Q-tip fuzz.  If cracked it must be replaced.

 

This is not usual performance, so there IS SOMETHING WRONG.  You just have not found it yet.

[J Francho]

I have 20# 832 on a spinning reel, a Pinnacle Performa 20.  It's prone to twisting a bit, and I occasionally start getting "wind knots."  I don't think it's the reel, since I had almost no issues with 6# Invisx.  Trolling it out, and reeling it back up fixes the issue.

[blckshirt98]

I use 15-20 lb 832 or standard PowerPro and I haven't seen any of the same issues.  What kind of rod/reel are you using, and, what kind of lures are you trying to throw?  Also once you do have a knot in your line, you're better off cutting it off as it'll definitely impact your casting as it passes through your guides.

[Falkus]

1 hour ago, blckshirt98 said:

 Also once you do have a knot in your line, you're better off cutting it off as it'll definitely impact your casting as it passes through your guides.

 

Yes, I know it hurts but better to be safe and its only MONEY ! 

 

You want to save the bass's life if the line snaps and not swimming with a hook and line around in the lake ...Its no fun being laughed down there by their peers 

[.ghoti.]

Wind knots are caused by one, or more, of three problems.

 

Too much oomph on the cast. Relax. Use an easier casting stroke, and see what happens.

 

Line twist. Many people say use braid on a spinning because it doesnt twist. Bull. It twists as much as any other line. The limp nature of braids masks the twist, until it gets too bad.

Troll it out behind the boat with nothing tied on the end of the line. No boat? Walk it out a little further than a long cast, and reel it back on. You may have to do this twice to get all the twist out.

 

The relationship between the reel and stripper guide. Measure the inside diameter of thenguide, and the outside diameter of the lip of the spool. The ID of the guide should be 50%, or more, of the OD of the spool lip.  You can change reels, change rods, or wrap a new, larger guide on the existing rod.

[dwh4784]

The only time I ever had issues with wind knots I believe I tracked it down to too heavy lure on too light of a rod trying to bomb out casts. I actually caught a nice trout yarding my line in by hand after cutting one of them out. Got a heavier rod for that application and haven't had any issues since. So one thing I'd look at is if you are casting a lure heavier than the rod is rated for.

[PatrickKnight]

6 hours ago, dwh4784 said:

The only time I ever had issues with wind knots I believe I tracked it down to too heavy lure on too light of a rod trying to bomb out casts. I actually caught a nice trout yarding my line in by hand after cutting one of them out. Got a heavier rod for that application and haven't had any issues since. So one thing I'd look at is if you are casting a lure heavier than the rod is rated for.

 

An often over looked problem!

[MickD]

16 hours ago, .ghoti. said:

The relationship between the reel and stripper guide. Measure the inside diameter of thenguide, and the outside diameter of the lip of the spool. The ID of the guide should be 50%, or more, of the OD of the spool lip.  You can change reels, change rods, or wrap a new, larger guide on the existing rod

 

I have never heard that this size relationship affects twist.  It is a reasonable guideline for rod design, but didn't know it affected twist.  You are a fan of Microwaves-the first Microwave guide is certainly not half the diameter of the spool.  How do you reconcile this?  Not trying to be hostile or anything, just discussing, trying to learn.