Lyman X Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 I have a Dobyns Savvy with micros that needs a guide replaced. This is the hardest finish I've ever come across. I have the top of the foot totally exposed and can't budge the foot. (guide's broken off, only foot remains) finish is so hard I'm afraid of bank damage in removing it. I put Citri-strip on guide wrap for 4 hrs. today and it didn't even phase it. Anyone who has changed one of these please chime in! Thanks, Lynn Quote
Super User S Hovanec Posted May 31, 2017 Super User Posted May 31, 2017 Try heat from a hair dryer. If that doesn't soften it, you just need to try to free a thread and start unwrapping it. It will unwrap under the finish leaving a hollow void. Some of these rods are using a UV cure finish and it just keeps getting g harder and harder. Quote
Lyman X Posted May 31, 2017 Author Posted May 31, 2017 Thanks Scott, I left it sit with Citri-strip on it for 18 hrs. and it softened it enough that I could get at the thread and get it off, but just barely! This stuff is way stronger than the guides are. Thankfully he only broke one. With any luck he'll break the blank next time! Quote
Super User fishnkamp Posted June 1, 2017 Super User Posted June 1, 2017 At least you have to give Dobyns credit that guide would never have fallen off!! Quote
Super User .ghoti. Posted June 1, 2017 Super User Posted June 1, 2017 Good to know that about Dobyns rods. I despise that UV cured adhesive. Now I know to never take on a Dobyns for repair, and will danged sure never buy one. Using that typre of adhesive is as abysmally stupid as using epoxy to install tip guides 2 Quote
Super User Angry John Posted June 2, 2017 Super User Posted June 2, 2017 well that sucks as i own 3 and just sent one out for repair. Decent rod but that makes it a pain to deal with! Quote
Super User MickD Posted September 10, 2017 Super User Posted September 10, 2017 Careful with the heat, folks. If the heat will affect the epoxy, it very well may affect the blank. They have a similar heat tolerance. Quote
Super User .ghoti. Posted September 10, 2017 Super User Posted September 10, 2017 Just got home from a rod building seminar. A guy from St Croix answered the question about this i've always wanted to ask. If the epoxy cures at room temperature, it will breakdown completely, and come loose, at around 180° F. It will soften enough to loosen below that. The blanks are cured at 280° F. The resin used in the blanks will not start to break down until it gets past 240° F. That means you can use boiling water to remove standard thread and grip epoxy with doing any damage to the blank. He didnt know anything about UV cure urethane. 1 Quote
Super User Big Bait Fishing Posted September 10, 2017 Super User Posted September 10, 2017 1 hour ago, .ghoti. said: Just got home from a rod building seminar. A guy from St Croix answered the question about this i've always wanted to ask. If the epoxy cures at room temperature, it will breakdown completely, and come loose, at around 180° F. It will soften enough to loosen below that. The blanks are cured at 280° F. The resin used in the blanks will not start to break down until it gets past 240° F. That means you can use boiling water to remove standard thread and grip epoxy with doing any damage to the blank. He didnt know anything about UV cure urethane. excellent info !! Quote
Super User S Hovanec Posted September 11, 2017 Super User Posted September 11, 2017 17 hours ago, .ghoti. said: A guy from St Croix answered the question about this Was it Jason? He has been playing with the cure temperatures for a while. They just don't bake them at one temp anymore. The temp is varied through the cure process. Quote
Super User .ghoti. Posted September 11, 2017 Super User Posted September 11, 2017 I met quite a few people over the weekend, and I dont remember anybody named Jason. Quote
basscatcher8 Posted September 16, 2017 Posted September 16, 2017 I repair a lot of dobyns. I fix all my buddy's rods and he has a deal with dobyns so they are all dobyns and I agree they are a pain to get the finish off. There is no clean way to do it. Only way I can is sit down with a razor blade and just very carefully work it down. Once you get down by the blank you can usually smooth it enough to get the new wrap on. A couple of his I've repaired guides so much cause of guide rings falling out that I have to do an under wrap to cover up the rough look. Only had to do that once and it was on a flipping rod so wasn't to worried about it. But yeah if I have a St. Croix repair next to a Dobyns in the time it takes me to get the guide off and blank cleaned up on the Dobyns I've already got the old wrap and guide off and new guide wrapped on and ready for finish on the St Croix. Quote
Super User MickD Posted September 16, 2017 Super User Posted September 16, 2017 Thanks for the clarification, ghoti. I thought they were closer together. Quote
Super User .ghoti. Posted September 16, 2017 Super User Posted September 16, 2017 So did I, Mick. Quote
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