EWG or flippin hook?

[IgotWood]

I've recently made the switch from offset hooks to flippin hooks. I have definitely noticed an increase in the hooksets. However, I have also noticed that I burn through baits faster too. Yesterday I burned through a whole bag of Structure Bugs for only three fish. The hook point doesn't stay buried in the bait, and the bait keeper doesn't stay in the head very well. I also seem to tear a lot of baits just simply pulling it through the weeds. What gives? Am I doing something wrong? I'm using Trokar hooks. 

[Bluebasser86]

You answered my question on the last line. Those cutting points on the Trokar hooks slice baits up like crazy when you put any kind of force on them. I watched @gardnerjigman go through several baits only catch a fish or two and some baits not even catching anything, just tearing up from pulling it out of heavy grass over and over. It's only an issue with the Trokar hooks. I use both Eagle Claw flipping hooks and Strike King Hack Attack flipping hooks and have never had the same issue. 

[jr231]

Alot of people like the flipping hooks, are you punching ? Or just pitching/flipping to cover?.. a 3/0 ewg fits the structure bug perfect.. I tex-pose it and then lightly skin hook. Never have issues with hook ups and usually get at least 2-3 fish per bait. 

[Megastink]

Trokars (and some other brands) have a very thick plastic keeper that tears through plastics like nothing else. I use them as well and I feel your pain.

 

I had the same issue with their drop shot "rebarb" style hooks and caenup with a solution that could work for you as well, with a little effort: i started making my own keepers. I can't seem to upload a video or photo bigger than .48mb, so I can't show you. But google it!

[jr231]

@Megastink

 

Go to the top right corner, click your username with the down arrow. 

 

Go to "my attachments" , open that and let it load.. 

 

Delete some of your older , large sized content. And youll be able to load pictures again. 

 

[Catt]

17 minutes ago, Megastink said:

Trokars (and some other brands) have a very thick plastic keeper that tears through plastics like nothing else. 

 

Don't like Trokar for that reason

 

Try Owner 4x Jungle Hook

[fishwizzard]

The Owner cutting point hooks are the same, great hook up ratio, awful plastic life.  

 

I use the Trokar worm hooks for Culprits and Trickworms, they are inexpensive enough for it not to bug me, but for like senkos and keitechs I use needle point hooks.  

[CTBassin860]

1 hour ago, Bluebasser86 said:

You answered my question on the last line. Those cutting points on the Trokar hooks slice baits up like crazy when you put any kind of force on them. I watched @gardnerjigman go through several baits only catch a fish or two and some baits not even catching anything, just tearing up from pulling it out of heavy grass over and over. It's only an issue with the Trokar hooks. I use both Eagle Claw flipping hooks and Strike King Hack Attack flipping hooks and have never had the same issue. 

Exactly why I switched to Owner twistlocks.Those Trokars are super sharp,but destroy your soft plastics.

[Catt]

7 hours ago, Bunnielab said:

The Owner cutting point hooks are the same, great hook up ratio, awful plastic life.  

 

I use the Trokar worm hooks for Culprits and Trickworms, they are inexpensive enough for it not to bug me, but for like senkos and keitechs I use needle point hooks.  

 

Never used a Owner 4x Jungle Hook have you?

 

They are needle points

[fishwizzard]

14 minutes ago, Catt said:

 

Never used a Owner 4x Jungle Hook have you?

 

They are needle points

 

Hah, nope, I have used Owner twist lock flipping hooks or the XXX stright shank hooks for all my "heavy" needed.  I will

have to check them out though, I am a big Owner fanboy. 

[CroakHunter]

8 hours ago, Catt said:

 

Don't like Trokar for that reason

 

Try Owner 4x Jungle Hook

^^^this

[Mike L]

I use the Trokar TK 130 for punching and flipping in heavy cover and have for years.

The trick that I have found with them is to NOT tex pose them, you will tear them up for sure. 

Bring the point up and just into the bottom half of the bait. They are sharp enough that you won't need any added pressure to set the hook regardless of what plastic you use. 

 

They get a bad rap because of thier sharpness, but that's exactly the reason why I use them and won't use anything else.....

 

 

 

Mike

[Angry John]

I use the mustad grip pin hook and they do very well on how long plastic last.  It does tear up the heads taking them off but by that point who cares.  The bait does not move and i get several fish per bait.  When i switch out i cut the head of the bait in half, slop on the mendit and there ready to go again.

[gardnerjigman]

13 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

You answered my question on the last line. Those cutting points on the Trokar hooks slice baits up like crazy when you put any kind of force on them. I watched @gardnerjigman go through several baits only catch a fish or two and some baits not even catching anything, just tearing up from pulling it out of heavy grass over and over. It's only an issue with the Trokar hooks. I use both Eagle Claw flipping hooks and Strike King Hack Attack flipping hooks and have never had the same issue. 

Yup, tossed the tokars and have been on the hack attack ever since 

[FCPhil]

In my limited experience the point on Trokar hooks cuts through plastics easily so you get very little life out of soft plastics compared to other hooks. It's not a flipping hook but not of my favorite hooks is the lunker city Texposer hook. If it fits your application I think you'll be glad you tried it. 

[IgotWood]

On 5/30/2017 at 8:50 AM, Catt said:

 

Don't like Trokar for that reason

 

Try Owner 4x Jungle Hook

I picked up a pack of Gamakatsus to try. They look just like the Owner, same baitkeeper too. Hopefully it works. Those Trokar's are no joke! I miss VERY few fish with them. I just seem to spend more time re-rigging my bait or rigging news ones than I do fishing...

[Siebert Outdoors]

You may also like the Owner twistlok flipping hook.  I gave up using regular hooks for this hook.  It along with the jungle hook is about all I use anymore.  With the twist lock the structure bugs typically last a long time.

[jamey1e]

I gave up on the TroKar hooks a long time ago.  Just like everyone else has said they (along with any other cutting point hook) tear up the plastic way to much.  It's just my experience but I feel I lose a lot more fish with the cutting points,  seems they cut their way in and back out as the fish fights.  If you want flipping style hooks the Owner jungle is the best I've used.  Super sharp and the keeper is just right to hold the bait without tearing it up. 

[fishwizzard]

I use a mix of needle point and cutting point ooks and thus far haven't formed a strong opinion either way.

 

 I do like how the cutting point ripps through plastic easily as I often fish lighter rods and lighter line for a lot of presentations than I think most other guys do.

 

Right now I tend to use needle point hooks for softer plastics like say a Roboworm but will use a cutting point for something a little tougher like say a trick worm.