Braid or fluorocarbon for crankbaits

[Armando Arbella]

I know this topic has been addressed but I have more questions. I want to use dt6s and deep diving crankbaits and wanted to know will braid affect the depth of the bait? Also what brand fluorocarbon would you recommend if braid doesn't let the bait reach max depth? I have used seguar yellow label and after one day my line was trashed. Any information is greatly appreciated.

[Bluebasser86]

Neither, mono or copolymer for me. 

[fishballer06]

I use 12lb. Sniper FC for 95% of my cranking needs. 

 

DT6's dont' really ever get me much more than 6 feet deep. A DT10 I can get down to 12-13'.

 

With Suffix 832 in 40lb. test, I can get a DT10 down around 10-11'.

[WRB]

Braid is smaller in diameter and should work for you, .....a backlash with braid can be troublesome. FC line would work but the constant casting will stress knots and line. Premium 12 lb mono is what I use for deep diving crankbaits.

Tom

[RUSS9999]

10 or 12 pound mono. I use 10 most of the time.

[CenCal fisher]

Braid will probably get the bait down deeper if you use a braid with a smaller diameter than the pound test floro you planned on using. 

[RoLo]

 

Yes, braid will affect the running depth.

A diving plug will run deeper with braid than it will with fluorocarbon.

I use straight braid (but not for extra depth)

Roger

 

 

[NHBull]

Last weekend my buddy and I both have e6x CB rods with ci4'......I had 8 lb tatsu and he had 10 lb 832 with  leader.......Tomorrow I am putting 10lb 832

[Angry John]

I don't fish strait braid for cranks but use a leader.  I also use 10lb P-line 100% for cranks and jerkbaits early in the season when the water is very clear, before the spring storms.  After the storms start up I switch to 10lb YHB for most of my cranks.

[wdp]

I like fluoro. 12 - 15 lb Invisx. 

[Scarborough817]

44 minutes ago, NHBull said:

Last weekend my buddy and I both have e6x CB rods with ci4'......I had 8 lb tatsu and he had 10 lb 832 with  leader.......Tomorrow I am putting 10lb 832

how much difference did you see?

[NHBull]

12 minutes ago, Scarborough817 said:

how much difference did you see?

Diving rates were almost identical.

Casting distance was better with braid.

Overruns were worse with FC

I felt better connected to the bait with braid, my buddy didn notice a difference.

 

We were both using various  new dredgers

[Team9nine]

Straight fluoro here. Differences between the two will in large part depend upon the diameters of the two lines compared. Can't really make any absolute statements without knowing that.

[Scarborough817]

4 minutes ago, NHBull said:

Diving rates were almost identical.

Casting distance was better with braid.

Overruns were worse with FC

I felt better connected to the bait with braid, my buddy didn notice a difference.

 

We were both using various  new dredgers

so same baits, same rods, same reels

braid got more distance, felt more sensitive, and easier to pick out backlashes 

[GreenGhostMan]

I use 12 lb sunline sniper FC for cranking.

[NHBull]

41 minutes ago, Scarborough817 said:

so same baits, same rods, same reels

braid got more distance, felt more sensitive, and easier to pick out backlashes 

Bingo!

sidenote......832 sank faster than PP ( on a spinning setup)

 

The reason we have the same equipment is that we are related to a VIP and get wholesale pricing

[crypt]

Big Game here,10-20 lb. depending on lure and cover. mean green all the way.

[bowhunter63]

Big Game x2

[bigturtle]

30lb braid to 14lb mono for my dd22, 6XD and 8XD

[TX-Deluxe]

5 hours ago, WRB said:

Braid is smaller in diameter and should work for you, .....a backlash with braid can be troublesome. FC line would work but the constant casting will stress knots and line. Premium 12 lb mono is what I use for deep diving crankbaits.

Tom

Stress from frequent casting on FC?

 

I've never really heard of that and want to know more before I fork out 35 bucks to try some Sniper.

 

Any opinions will be appreciated. 

[RoLo]

15 minutes ago, TX-Deluxe said:

Stress from frequent casting on FC?

I've never really heard of that and want to know more before I fork out 35 bucks to try some Sniper.

Any opinions will be appreciated. 

 

Fluorocarbon has unusual cleavage (microscopic fractures) which underlies its erratic knot strength.

 

Roger

[CTBassin860]

12# Yo-Zuri hybrid.

[Team9nine]

2 hours ago, TX-Deluxe said:

Stress from frequent casting on FC?

 

I've never really heard of that and want to know more before I fork out 35 bucks to try some Sniper.

 

Any opinions will be appreciated. 

 

2 hours ago, RoLo said:

 

Fluorocarbon has unusual cleavage (microscopic fractures) which underlies its erratic knot strength.

 

Roger

 

Have to admit I've never heard of either explanation. Compared to nylon, fluorocarbon has about 20% less bending strength. This is a big part of the difference, IMO. Because of this, it (fluoro) is more sensitive to compression and rotation, both factors that come into play when tying knots. The poorer your knot quality, the worse your fluoro knot will fare. And, since knot to knot variation in these two factors is likely highly variable, I would lean that direction as to the more likely explanation for its erratic not strength. That said, if you could point me in the direction this micro-fracture component, I'd be eager to see it.

 

-T9

[RoLo]

1 hour ago, Team9nine said:

Have to admit I've never heard of either explanation. Compared to nylon, fluorocarbon has about 20% less bending strength. This is a big part of the difference, IMO. Because of this, it (fluoro) is more sensitive to compression and rotation, both factors that come into play when tying knots. The poorer your knot quality, the worse your fluoro knot will fare. And, since knot to knot variation in these two factors is likely highly variable, I would lean that direction as to the more likely explanation for its erratic not strength. That said, if you could point me in the direction this micro-fracture component, I'd be eager to see it.

 

T9, I realize that you employ fluoro line, and you realize that I don’t.

Consequently, I’m sure that you've done more reading on fluorocarbon line than I have.

Nevertheless, the erratic knot strength of fluorocarbon line is universal knowledge.

Although I have no interest in the mechanics behind fluoro’s knot woes, the most repeated

cause I've seen refers to its unusual cleavage. Apparently, minute stress cracks are inclined to elongate.   

 

Roger

 

 

 

[Team9nine]

52 minutes ago, RoLo said:

 

T9, I realize that you employ fluoro line, and you realize that I don’t.

Consequently, I’m sure that you've done more reading on fluorocarbon line than I have.

Nevertheless, the erratic knot strength of fluorocarbon line is universal knowledge.

Although I have no interest in the mechanics behind fluoro’s knot woes, the most repeated

cause I've seen heard refers to its unusual cleavage.

Apparently, minute stress cracks are inclined to elongate.   

Roger

 

 

 

 

Interesting - I'll keep digging around on that one when I get the time as I honestly had never heard of it before. I like to try and keep abreast of the specifics (science) behind a lot of this stuff, mostly just because  I have several studies though on the mechanics and comparisons of nylons, fluorocarbons, and braids, including knot failure analysis, and the line types are really different in that regard. Fluoro and nylon are almost polar opposites in some areas.

 

I actually get some amusement out of the "beating" that fluorocarbon takes at times around things like its supposed knot weakness.  It's pretty well documented that braid has the poorest knot strength of all line types. Fluorocarbon actually tends to fall within 5+ percent or so of nylons (but still weaker than), whereas braids tend to be another 15% or more worse performance wise than either of the other two. Of course, the variables are many if trying to compare specific brands, etc.

 

-T9