Is it just me?

[Fishes in trees]

I haven't had any issues with Abrazx the past few seasons.   I use it in 15 and 17 and 20 lb.    I do use KVD line conditioner from time to time.

[scaleface]

2 hours ago, RoLo said:

 

We're often reminded that fluorocarbon sinks, but Sufix-832 braid also sinks, but how often do you hear that?

The diameter of 20-lb Sufix-832 is 0.009", the diameter of 20-lb fluorocarbon is 0.018"

 

 

I need to check that out . 

 

I tried FC once and  disliked  it . It was stiff , I could not tie a decent knot with it  and I didnt like the way it settled on the bottom . It didnt slack up like mono . I probably had an inferior brand but at this point I'm happy with Trlene XL and Big Game .

[RoLo]

2 hours ago, scaleface said:

 

I need to check that out

 

 

The Gore fiber makes Sufix 832 heavier than water.

Cut a trace of Sufix 832 off the spool, break the surface tension by pushing the trace

down to the bottom of your bathroom basin.    It will lie there forever.

 

Roger

[ww2farmer]

I am a die hard braid and fluorocarbon leader user. Nothing is going to change my mind. If the people that use straight fluorocarbon love it, good. To each his own. If my dislike for using straight fluorocarbon somehow offends people, that's their problem, not mine. It's really a pretty insignificant thing to worry about in the grand scheme of things.

[fishindad]

I agree that time on the water is the best teacher. Like most, I have tried braids, fluoros, copolymers, mono lines. No one fishing line is best at everything. Tectan is about the best handling line for spinning reels I have used with McCoy's Mean Green a close second. Braid has no stretch and no equal cutting through grass but it is terrible around rocks, zebra mussels, and Esox. The one and only situation I use braid now is when making super long casts for smallies in the Great Lakes and need to set hooks from a long ways off. Fluoro is not for topwater and is the least 'manageable', but it is the most abrasion resistant (lb for lb) though P-Line CXX is pretty bulletproof. Newer fluorocarbon lines are significantly better handling now, when used properly. 

 

If I had to choose one line only to fish the rest of my days, I'd choose fluoro, probably Tatsu. Back in the day I'd have chosen Maxima Ultragreen. 

[Hogsticker]

I use to hate the stuff. Now I use it almost exclusively except for top water. I just ordered some P Line Tactical because of the killer price. I'll likely be disappointed because I'm a Tatsu fan, but ya never know. I use to love and use braid only, but now it drives me nuts. Especially on a very windy day. All my reels are Daiwa SV. I think the nature of this braking profile accommodates fluoro quite nicely. I've eased up on the casting fastballs. Just a nice steady flick and I'm happy as a clam. 

[bigfruits]

this is a great mystery to me - why people dislike and have issues with FC. I dont know if i could live without it

 

2 hours ago, Hogsticker said:

I've eased up on the casting fastballs. Just a nice steady flick and I'm happy as a clam. 

 

is that what it is? people are not using the wrist?

[HeavyTwenty]

10 hours ago, Mosster47 said:

I can't stand it as a main line. I do like it for leaders though. 

 

I've been told it transmits bites better on weightless plastics over braid, but I didn't find that to be true. If you don't know how to fish weightless plastics and just let them fall on complete slack then maybe, but line doesn't make up for bad technique.

 

I think FC helps when in wind.

 

Personally, I haven't felt the need to use FC in Florida. Maybe one texas rig setup.

[fishindad]

17 hours ago, Hogsticker said:

I use to love and use braid only, but now it drives me nuts. Especially on a very windy day. 

 

You got that right! And it's always windy here on the great lakes, don't think I've been out yet this year when it hasn't been blowing 20+ winds.

[Fishin' Fool]

I liked using all FC on my spinning reels for bottom contact baits and sensitivity.  What I didn't like was having to change the line out every 2nd or 3rd time I fished because of line twist and the cost of the FC.  I switched over to small diameter braid with a light FC leader at the beginning of last year and have not looked back.  

[J Francho]

44 minutes ago, Fishin' Fool said:

I liked using all FC on my spinning reels for bottom contact baits and sensitivity.  What I didn't like was having to change the line out every 2nd or 3rd time I fished because of line twist and the cost of the FC.  I switched over to small diameter braid with a light FC leader at the beginning of last year and have not looked back.  

 

I have 4 year old Invisx on my primary DS rod.  You just troll it out at the end of the day.  Takes like 5 minutes.  If the braid is working for you, then stick to that.  It will get twist too, only then you're dealing with wind knots.  Same solution for that - troll it out.

 

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Once I watched a guy give a DS seminar at the Bass Pro Tank.  He recommended braid and a leader.  Said it made easy to detect any strike.  Well, when he would pitch the rig out maybe 15' or so, there was so much bow in the line, he had no idea that these HUGE steelhead were taking the bait every time.  It was eye opening to me, and kind of funny.  I wasn't the only one that noticed this either.  Personally, I think he was using way too light a weight, but the image of him not feeling vicious strikes is vivid in my memory.  I still use one of my six DS rigs with braid and a leader, but only for shallower, weedy presentations.  Any deep, clear water and it's straight fluoro.

[Team9nine]

18 minutes ago, J Francho said:

 

I have 4 year old Invisx on my primary DS rod.  You just troll it out at the end of the day.  Takes like 5 minutes.  If the braid is working for you, then stick to that.  It will get twist too, only then you're dealing with wind knots.  Same solution for that - troll it out.

 

Ditto - On my 3rd season with 16# Toray on several baitcasters. It's a myth that FC needs to be changed out regularly. No different than any other line in that regard. Sometimes I think the relatively cheap cost of nylon (along with tournament media coverage) gives people the false impression that  changing out line constantly is supposed to be the norm.

[Fishin' Fool]

1 hour ago, Team9nine said:

 

Ditto - On my 3rd season with 16# Toray on several baitcasters. It's a myth that FC needs to be changed out regularly. No different than any other line in that regard. Sometimes I think the relatively cheap cost of nylon (along with tournament media coverage) gives people the false impression that  changing out line constantly is supposed to be the norm.

 

I don't have a problem using it on a casting reel.  Try drop shotting with it on a spinning reel.  I didn't use a swivel on my line either.  By the 3rd time out the line was bird nesting.

[Team9nine]

4 minutes ago, Fishin' Fool said:

 

I don't have a problem using it on a casting reel.  Try drop shotting with it on a spinning reel.  I didn't use a swivel on my line either.  By the 3rd time out the line was bird nesting.

 

That's not a fluorocarbon issue, but a presentation/line twist issue. Mono/copoly would have done the same thing. Actually, braid twists nearly as much, you just don't notice it to the same degree. Line management is actually one of its (braid) strong suits among a host of negatives. I always have to untwist my braid outfits every few trips.

[J Francho]

1 minute ago, Fishin' Fool said:

Try drop shotting with it on a spinning reel.

 

I have four setups with 6 lb. fluoro.

 

2x Avid AVS63MLXF

2x Avid AVS63MXF

 

All have a Stradic CI4 2500

 

Most guys up here on Ontario and Erie are using Fluoro.  There's a few that use braid, and that's cool too.  I just don't see the issues everyone complains about.  I troll out the line at the end of the day.  Takes five minutes.  The issue is the inherent twist generated by a spinning reel.  Close and seat your line by hand, keep your bait centered on the hook, and avoid super high speed reeling up from the depths.  I normally don't buy into the clear line buying you bites, but in this case, I feel more bites with the denser fluoro.

 

If it didn't work, I wouldn't use it.

 

 

 

[Fishin' Fool]

7 minutes ago, J Francho said:

 

I have four setups with 6 lb. fluoro.

 

2x Avid AVS63MLXF

2x Avid AVS63MXF

 

All have a Stradic CI4 2500

 

Most guys up here on Ontario and Erie are using Fluoro.  There's a few that use braid, and that's cool too.  I just don't see the issues everyone complains about.  I troll out the line at the end of the day.  Takes five minutes.  The issue is the inherent twist generated by a spinning reel.  Close and seat your line by hand, keep your bait centered on the hook, and avoid super high speed reeling up from the depths.  I normally don't buy into the clear line buying you bites, but in this case, I feel more bites with the denser fluoro.

 

If it didn't work, I wouldn't use it.

 

 

 

 

How deep are you normally fishing on Ontario and Erie? Maybe it's better for deeper water. I'm rarely deeper than 15 fow.

[J Francho]

15 to 50'.  Depth makes no difference.

[fishindad]

5 hours ago, Fishin' Fool said:

 

How deep are you normally fishing on Ontario and Erie? Maybe it's better for deeper water. I'm rarely deeper than 15 fow.

FF, I'm with John on this. I know you fish St Clair like me and even though it's not very deep water, I tend to have a lot of line out when dropshotting because I typically cast or drag with it. Don't ever videogame unless it's in the channels where it does get 30ft+. I feel the higher density of fluorocarbon excels in transmitting bites and the bottom over braid plus leader. And I've tried two identical setups (original Crucial DS rod) to compare DS'ing straight 7lb Sniper to Power Pro plus 7lb Sniper leader.

As mentioned, every line on spinning reels needs routine un-twisting behind the boat. Anyone who does it knows it's a necessary evil that takes maybe 5 minutes at the end/beginning of each outing. And it works brilliantly, right? And I agree with teamnine that one does nnot need to change line as often as 'pros' say so - I just cut off 5-6 feet if the line feels nicked up from rocks and zeebs and good to go. Quality FC lines last a long time.