BPS Double Down Plopper??? And I was Going To Buy Another WP 130

[ghost]

I was perusing the BPS website a couple weeks ago and this Double Plopper was on the site. It's an XPS Double Down Plopper, not much info about the lure, like weight, length, colors. The few time I tried searching for it, it disappears. I run across it when I'm not looking for it.

 

I was going to get a second WP 130 in yellow head, but this has caught my interest and I am going to wait till it finally makes it to the site officially. If it comes in the 90 and 130 size in the Whopper Plopper and it's less expensive...I may buy a a few. Granted, I've not caught a bass on my 90 and 130 Whopper Plopper..yet.

 

I'm just trying to imagine the plopping sound the WP makes but now with a prop in from and in back. 

[MassYak85]

I'd have to imagine having a forward facing blade like that will make it much more susceptible to snagging weeds and being pulled under by waves when the wind kicks up. My main issue with the whopper plopper is how easy a stray piece of grass or weeds can foul the rear blade and ruin your cast....the way I see it that problem only doubles with this iteration. 

[Bluebasser86]

Not going to say I won't be getting one, because I said that about the original and now I own several, but I'm having a hard time imagining the need for one. Can't blame R2S for riding this gravy train as far as it will take them though. 

[ghost]

Seems like BPS and R2S are in bed with current lure line ups. BPS has an S-waver, XPS Boss swimbait that is so similar to the S-Waver and now they come out with this XPS Double Down Plopper. Oh well, as long the the similar BPS R2S copies are cheaper, I'll be buying and trying. Once again, another lure that caught the fisherman fool.

[moguy1973]

I'm interested.  I don't see them on BPS's website right now though.  Must be super secret.

[Brayberry]

When it shows up on the site, it's item # 2390717

[Travis Gasper]

I thought I was the only one who caught a glimpse of the XPS Double Down Plopper for the short amount of time it was on the BPS website. I actually ordered one over a month ago, they were all on backorder. It disappeared off the site so I figured I'd never get it. But it actually shipped this week and will be in my mailbox tomorrow morning! I will post some pictures tomorrow. 

[wdp]

I'm still trying to catch something decent on my Whopper Plopper. I haven't fished it a whole lot, but have only managed 2 dinks so far. 

[Travis Gasper]

Well, here it is! I set it next to a River2Sea Whopper Plopper (its a little used and beat up) of the same color to compare. The length of both are the same at 3.5", but the Double Down Plopper weighs .2oz more at .6oz instead of .4oz. Bass season doesn't open for another couple weeks so I will have to wait to do a test with it.

[ghost]

Cool! How much was the double down and did they have a 130, bigger size?

[Travis Gasper]

4 minutes ago, ghost said:

Cool! How much was the double down and did they have a 130, bigger size?

 

To be honest, I can't remember if they had two different sizes or not. It was over a month ago when I ordered it. It was $8.99 for this one. I'm curious as to why they took it off the website. I'm tempted to call Bass Pros and ask them about it. 

[eyedabassman]

I tend to stay away from Bass Pro Brands! I have found them   To not last as long and some of the the bp products are junk!

[Travis Gasper]

33 minutes ago, eyedabassman said:

I tend to stay away from Bass Pro Brands! I have found them   To not last as long and some of the the bp products are junk!

 

Their soft plastics, especially the 5" stick-o worms, have been killer for me. This is the first BPS hard bait I've bought. 

[eyedabassman]

There plastic baits I will buy.But hard baits and reels,not so much!!!!! I would rather spend alittle more $$$$$$ and get a better product!

[ghost]

Thanks for posting the pic of the BPS Double Down next to the WP 90.

[Esoxfreak]

Forgive me, and I'd like to apologize upfront because I will know what I'm about to say will offend some people.

I'm ashamed at bass pro, not surprised though. I will give them that they are different, but this is why I won't but from big box tackle stores. They only cheapen quality products. The r2s whopper plopper is a good bait, its good quality, and will last a long time if stored properly. I hope this dosent make them cut corners to compete with bps. It's principal for me, I can't stand knock offs. I'm tired of companies trying to make a quick buck pawning off junk and I think most real anglers will know they are looking at a cheap knock off.

Yes,plopper style baits have been around for almost a century but dahlberg designed the "plastic" cupped tail so it wouldn't need tuned, as opposed to metal ones,and produced a particular tone. He made the bait by himself for decades and further developed it with river2sea so everyone could expierience fishing one. What makes me sick is that bass pro saw dollar signs. Millions of em. And capitalized on not the angler but the cash. They take advantage of anglers. Larry dahlberg built it, River 2 sea developed it, bps ripped it off and cheapened it. 

Did you know bps has a nearly identical river 2 sea s-waver also?????

Yes, river 2 sea has had some total flops over the years, but when they started developing baits the company started to shine. But why focus on research and development when bps or some other thief of that ilk will just steal it?

I will not get into the Chinese manufacturing debate on this thread, both baits are made in China. I wish River 2 sea would manufacture here, but a lot of people complain about a $10-$12 price tag for a 90 anyway,so I get it. It all boils down to quality control, and river 2 sea has that.Yes river 2 sea gets them for cheap, but your jaw would drop if you saw what bps buy their rip offs for! It's pennies...literally.

[J Francho]

Why do you assume that BPS is solely responsible?  Did it occur to you that R2S may have been part of this agreement?  Why aren't you mad at them too?

[Darren.]

4 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Why do you assume that BPS is solely responsible?  Did it occur to you that R2S may have been part of this agreement?  Why aren't you mad at them too?

 

Could also be the patent has expired, assuming 

the R2S was patented, which I would think so.

 

Kinda like generic drugs, gotta wait so many years

before we can buy them after a product first hits

the shelves, but once that patent expires, it is 

game-on.

 

If it even works like that for fishing lures...

[J Francho]

No way the patent expired - if there even is one.  I can't find it, just a trade mark for the name, and they last 17-19 years.  I can't see them patenting a bait he shows you how to make in a TV episode.  It's probably a licensed royalty deal.  I bet the baits are made in the same factory.  Typically, they packaged elsewhere, with materials from another factory.  Just source out different packaging.  This only speculation on my part.

[dsqui]

 

24 minutes ago, Esoxfreak said:

Forgive me, and I'd like to apologize upfront because I will know what I'm about to say will offend some people.

I'm ashamed at bass pro, not surprised though. I will give them that they are different, but this is why I won't but from big box tackle stores. They only cheapen quality products. The r2s whopper plopper is a good bait, its good quality, and will last a long time if stored properly. I hope this dosent make them cut corners to compete with bps. It's principal for me, I can't stand knock offs. I'm tired of companies trying to make a quick buck pawning off junk and I think most real anglers will know they are looking at a cheap knock off.

Yes,plopper style baits have been around for almost a century but dahlberg designed the "plastic" cupped tail so it wouldn't need tuned, as opposed to metal ones,and produced a particular tone. He made the bait by himself for decades and further developed it with river2sea so everyone could expierience fishing one. What makes me sick is that bass pro saw dollar signs. Millions of em. And capitalized on not the angler but the cash. They take advantage of anglers. Larry dahlberg built it, River 2 sea developed it, bps ripped it off and cheapened it. 

Did you know bps has a nearly identical river 2 sea s-waver also?????

Yes, river 2 sea has had some total flops over the years, but when they started developing baits the company started to shine. But why focus on research and development when bps or some other thief of that ilk will just steal it?

I will not get into the Chinese manufacturing debate on this thread, both baits are made in China. I wish River 2 sea would manufacture here, but a lot of people complain about a $10-$12 price tag for a 90 anyway,so I get it. It all boils down to quality control, and river 2 sea has that.Yes river 2 sea gets them for cheap, but your jaw would drop if you saw what bps buy their rip offs for! It's pennies...literally.

Just a little fyi I'm pretty sure poeswas the original and r2s ripped them off these were musky baits originally 

[Esoxfreak]

1 minute ago, J Francho said:

Why do you assume that BPS is solely responsible?  Did it occur to you that R2S may have been part of this agreement?  Why aren't you mad at them too?

Oh I am they are equally responsible if they are in an agreement! I didn't want my original post to be to wordy and knew someone will ask that.They knew about this 2 years ago and did nothing(or couldn't because BPS saturated their warehouses with r2s product), I feel that they should have pulled all their products from bps. i know for a fact they weren't part of a production type agreement initially. I did say initially...now(present time) I can't say that for sure, but bps ordered tons of whopper ploppers,THEN dropped the bomb post order that they had a similar product due to hit the market. If r2s is in a contract with them to produce similar product then r2s will shoot themselves in the foot.

I also know for a fact they have had another patent stolen (not really stolen but got the design schematics before r2s could get a patent...kind of a long story)from them about four years ago that a notable soft plastic company now produces. I assume, given the companies(r2s) past that this was done intentionally By BPS without foreknowledge, r2s isn't happy either.BUT money can corrupt them all. If that's the case than shame on them too for fleecing the angling community.

[Esoxfreak]

17 minutes ago, dsqui said:

 

Just a little fyi I'm pretty sure poeswas the original and r2s ripped them off these were musky baits originally 

I know that! I said plopper baits have been around a lot longer at least a hundred years, dahlberg developed the tail, just like Huddleston developed  their tail AND owns a functional patent on that,it's what makes Hudds special, but there are other paddle tails on the market. The original whopper plopper was a 190. Sennets Been making wood ones for years, there's top raiders...tons of them. Thanks for the "FYI"

[J Francho]

Top Raiders are a staple northern bait for me.  I've been throwing those for as long I was able to cast.  I agree the prop tail is the innovation.  It has a different sound, though can't be tuned, like a Top Raider.

[Cgolf]

1 hour ago, Esoxfreak said:

I know that! I said plopper baits have been around a lot longer at least a hundred years, dahlberg developed the tail, just like Huddleston developed  their tail AND owns a functional patent on that,it's what makes Hudds special, but there are other paddle tails on the market. The original whopper plopper was a 190. Sennets Been making wood ones for years, there's top raiders...tons of them. Thanks for the "FYI"

 

So what is wrong with BPS making a double prop version, which isn't really a novel idea either. Lets say they had made the blades out of metal, would you have ripped them for copying a topraider or other metal bladed topwater, or is your issue specific to R2S baits? If I were R2S, I would be more ticked that somebody thought of it before they did, not at the company that did it. If JFrancho is right that there is no patent on the blade, then there is no issue here at all.

[Esoxfreak]

22 minutes ago, cgolf said:

 

So what is wrong with BPS making a double prop version, which isn't really a novel idea either. Lets say they had made the blades out of metal, would you have ripped them for copying a topraider or other metal bladed topwater, or is your issue specific to R2S baits? If I were R2S, I would be more ticked that somebody thought of it before they did, not at the company that did it. If JFrancho is right that there is no patent on the blade, then there is no issue here at all.

My issue isn't only with river2sea.it was just my personal breaking point. I get upset when companies are doing something blatantly for the money. BPS says "wow we are these things are selling by the boat load, but we could make more money if we take everything that river2sea (I'm more upset about the dahlberg name.the dudes a legend and really worked hard innovating baits)did and cheapen it." And BPS is doing the whole line,with the single tail, the 130,90,and 190. It's blatant because the friggin paint jobs are almost identical too! Look what Tyrant did. Same thing. Matzuos doragon.same thing. They are taking other people's ideas and reaping the benefits. I don't care if I'm the only one who feels this way.

so yes I will rip tyrant for capitalizing off the top Raider and several other baits. But the op was about the whopper  Plopper.