KVD 1.5 Squarebill...Too Shallow?

[BrianMRetter]

Today I was fishing a KVD 1.5 Squarebill crankbait. I caught a few fish, but does anyone ever feel like the lure just doesn't run deep enough to target laydown trees? A lot of the spots in this particular lake are steep banks with trees that have fallen into the water. I like to run squarebills parallel against the trees, but I can never get this bait to go more than maybe 2.5' deep (admittedly, I use 15# fluoro so I could go to 12#). Does anyone know of any good squarebills that run in the 5-7' deep range?

[A-Jay]

Bomber Fat Free Shad Deep Diving Square Bill ~

 

 

A-Jay

[Bluebasser86]

Academy makes a good one.

http://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/h2o-xpress-4-crankbait#repChildCatid=22345

[wdp]

Doesn't the KVD 2.5 go a little deeper?

[smalljaw67]

The 1.5s I have run close, about 4'-4.5' and I'm using mono. It is one of the deeper diving square bills I use. Now there is a bait that I like to use that deflects as well but it doesn't have a wide wobble, it is a Rapala DT Flat 7. They have a coffin lip and they are fantastic in colder water but even in warm water when the fish are in that zone they seem to get bit even with the tighter action, and if you don't like the Rapala colors they make the bait in the Storm brand as the Arashi Flat.

[Bluebasser86]

The Berkley Wild Thang would be another one to check out. 

[crypt]

Bill Lewis ECHO 1.75

 

[scaleface]

Big O.

[BrianMRetter]

Thanks for all the repliesame! I'll give these a look 

[Scarborough817]

try a chatterbait instead specifically a sk rage blade or maybe a swim jig

[BrianMRetter]

I just realized....I'm using 17# fluoro. Will dropping from 17# to 12# fluoro really drive the lure that much deeper? 

[A-Jay]

1 minute ago, BrianMRetter said:

I just realized....I'm using 17# fluoro. Will dropping from 17# to 12# fluoro really drive the lure that much deeper? 

 

May depend on your casting distance and retrieve speed, but I'll say this - 12lb won't make it run any shallower than 17lb.

A-Jay

[MainelyBASS]

Biggest factor behind the size of the line is your gear ratio. How fast is the reel?

[IndianaFinesse]

10 hours ago, BrianMRetter said:

I just realized....I'm using 17# fluoro. Will dropping from 17# to 12# fluoro really drive the lure that much deeper? 

You could easily make it run two foot deeper and maybe a little more if you swap out the seventeen pound for 10-12 pound flouro.  

[BrianMRetter]

35 minutes ago, IndianaFinesse said:

You could easily make it run two foot deeper and maybe a little more if you swap out the seventeen pound for 10-12 pound flouro.  

Thanks, I'll swap out my line.

 

2 hours ago, MainelyBASS said:

Biggest factor behind the size of the line is your gear ratio. How fast is the reel?

6.3:1 casting

[GreenGhostMan]

On 4/9/2017 at 1:22 AM, Bluebasser86 said:

Academy makes a good one.

http://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/h2o-xpress-4-crankbait#repChildCatid=22345

 

This squarebill def gets deeper, but is a larger 2.5 profile.  If you're looking for a 1.5 profile, Academy has a small profile CRM that dives deeper.

 

http://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/h2o-xpress-spcrm-crankbait#repChildCatid=3486540

[CenCal fisher]

Lighter line will make a noticeable difference, but check the diameter of the line to make sure it's actually lighter. One brands 12lb might be another brands 15lb and you won't notice much of a difference going from 17lb to 15. If you want maximum depth use 20lb braid. Also keep your rod tip close to the water or stick it under water if you really want to get deeper. For every foot you put your rod tip under the surface you should gain about six inches of depth. Your bait will be at its deepest somewhere around 2/3 of your retrieval distance so if you have some deeper structure you want to hit plan your cast so the structure is somewhere in the middle of your retrieval. 

 

 

There was was a good thread about crank bait depth on a walleye fishing forum, but can't find it. If you spend some time googling you might be able to find it. 

 

[MainelyBASS]

22 hours ago, BrianMRetter said:

6.3:1 casting

 

Thats more than appropriate for square bills. I throw mine right after ice out on 5.4:1 so I can get mine down a good amount deeper than with a 6.3:1, but it's not necessary to go that slow.

[onetime]

On a squarebill, I don't think line diameter matters "that" much. I mean it's designed to only dives to 4-5 feet anyway, and I'm not sure going from 17 to 12 will gain you over two feet, YMMV. Where line diameter makes more of a difference is your medium to deep divers. Generally speaking you would use a longer rod therefore a longer cast, then line size will alter depth, I use 12lb. Invisx on everything from a KVD 1.0 to a 10XD. If you need to run it a little deeper, stick your rod tip in the water.