Someone convince me I should be using FC over Trilene XL

[RoLo]

Just now, Caliyak said:

Take that FC and burn it. Braid for that spinning reel. Stop wasting your money on FC. LOL

 

 

A tad blunt perhaps, but no argument here  

[new2BC4bass]

8 hours ago, TX-Deluxe said:

Palomar good on FC?

 

I'm thinking fisherman are tinkerers(is that even a word) by nature .

 

I chose XL thinking less memory even on a casting setup.

 

Really good opinions Gentlemen 

 

Any softer mono type line will have less memory.  I also like Sufix Elite and Sunline Super Natural for that reason.  A friend suggested AN40 and I have it on several casting reels.  Currently trying Izorline XXX but haven't used it enough yet to form an opinion.

[dam0007]

2 hours ago, TX-Deluxe said:

Solid point.

I'm probably going to spend this entire season with T-Rigs on my casting setup.

 

I don't want to lose much distance with something over 12lb.

 

Recommendations for. Daiwa Tatula CT Type R?

 

I'm going to give it another go with FC

before @iabass8 jumps in on my recommendations lmaoooo(I'm notorious for fishing too light in many scenarios) 12lb Sniper has been my go to Jig/Trig line 3 years and running. If I'm worried about abrasion I jump to Shooter in same test. Rarely do I go higher than 12lb with exception of C Rig I run 16. But yeah 7, 10, and 12. Are pretty much the main tests I go with. If you want to save $5, Assassin has been great for me I like it for moving baits. Also I tie a modified San Diego jam knot. 

[Mike L]

12 hours ago, dam0007 said:

before @iabass8 jumps in on my recommendations lmaoooo(I'm notorious for fishing too light in many scenarios) 12lb Sniper has been my go to Jig/Trig line 3 years and running. If I'm worried about abrasion I jump to Shooter in same test. Rarely do I go higher than 12lb with exception of C Rig I run 16. But yeah 7, 10, and 12. Are pretty much the main tests I go with. If you want to save $5, Assassin has been great for me I like it for moving baits. Also I tie a modified San Diego jam knot. 

 

I'm cuious...How do you modify your SDJ knot?

 

Thanks

 

Mike

[bowhunter63]

Congrats on your PB,Been using a long time.Probably never change .

[J Francho]

Line is a very personal choice, and opinions about what the data means is less important than what your hands tell you.  For years, decades really, Trilene was fine and worked well for me.  I tried a super line when it first came out, but couldn't really adjust to it.  Later, I tried a different mono, simply out of curiosity.  Times had changed, and there were better lines than Trilene.  Clearly, since they changed the formula a couple times since.  So, that's a case where technology had changed, and newer lines were just better made than the old stand by.

 

Other times, the line becomes a limitation, and something different is better solution.  Braid and slop is a good example of this.  T9's article highlights exactly why I started trying out fluorocarbon lines for drop shot, and other finesse presentations - being able to detect the "thump" of a fish taking your bait.

 

I'm not a big proponent of wholesale changes to your game, when it comes to fishing.  Rather, I see it as an evolution, brought out by discovery of newer, maybe better products.  Or overcoming fishing challenges with a more suited product.  For the most part, I like to add to my game, not change it.  That's my advice here.

[Team9nine]

Agree with @J Francho There is no perfect line. With any of the major line types, you are gaining some specific benefit(s), but sacrificing something in exchange. The real question we all have to decide for ourselves is whether those benefits we gain by using a certain line type outweigh the negatives (or can the negatives be satisfactorily accommodated). The "right" answer will be different for each of us. 

 

-T9

[Spider]

O.P.

 

Only you can answer this question. You will need to try some different lines and decide which you like best.

 

Before we go down the dark road of this line vs that line. When I started fishing I used DuPont Magnathin. Yeah my age is showing. I be leaved at the time is was less visible to the fish, Ya I know.

 

I caught fish, even though the stretch was enormous on that line. I fish mostly Fluorocarbon now, but decided to spool up one of my bait casters with Berkley Big Game last week. You know what, the next day I caught just as many fish? On a gin clear lake by home!

 

I have seen people take big fish on 50# braid with no leader, on crystal clear lakes on a sunny day. Fishes brains are very little after all, as long as you are presenting the bait properly they will bite it

 

I guess what I am trying to say is, don't buy into what others are saying, fish what you like. After all it is your mini vacation, play it like you want to.

[MickD]

I think this forum is populated by a bunch of happy masochists, trying and trying to make FC work well.  Just kidding a bit, but hear me out.  FC, especially the ones that are supposed to solve the problems of FC are very expensive.  Then it is touted for having better sensitivity than mono, and for being more invisible in the water than mono.  Has anyone seen any really decent data on either of these supposed advantages?  Even if there is a difference, is it enough to justify all the hassles?  Is it significant?  While many of us are facing the frustrations trying to have the most invisible line available, others are tying directly to braid and doing well.  Like the previous post.  And many others.

 

And what about FC disadvantages?  Get a backlash with FC, and that's very easy to do, and you just may break the line before you get it untangled.  And knot strength is often suspect.  

 

I'm dropping out of the frustration, using only braid and mono for casting, still using up some FC for leaders.  But when I need more leader material it will be hard mono or leader grade FC.  I'm not a masochist, so I wasn't having much fun trying to make FC work.

[Spider]

@ MikeD

 

I agree with you 100%

 

Fluorocarbon does have advantages, one is it is less visible in water, but you will find no good data to prove fish really care if something is hanging off the end of the bait.

 

Fluorocarbon has as much stretch than mono. Some brands like Invizx even more than mono.

 

Fluorocarbon does transmit feeling better due to it's density, but in the reverse, doesn't that mean the fish can feel you also?

 

Braid Floats, very visible, makes noise going over reeds and wood "Sawing sound?" but fish don't seem to care. The 8 layer braid is less noisy though.

 

Mono is more visible to bass but they don't seem to notice?

 

Mono has stretch, so you don't feel everything as well as Fluorocarbon, but nether does the fish. Just reel in the slack and set the hook.

 

Mono floats, so it's ideal for top water presentations and treble hooked baits.

 

Fish are dumb, don't overthink this more than it needs to be.

 

Use what you like.

[bigfruits]

22 hours ago, TX-Deluxe said:

I'm going to give it another go with FC

 

good idea. another tool in the box.

 

im not sure why so many are having issues with FC. I use it on spinning and BC with no problems.

[Airman4754]

I tried to give fluoro a real shot. I used Tatsu and Shooter on a bunch of different rigs and phased it out completely as a main line last week. To me, it's just awful as a main line. "Give it a couple of squirts of whatever and it's ok." If you need to carry a spray bottle around to cast a spinnerbait the line sucks. I do like it as a leader on my braid though. The low-vis property is a bonus and it lacks stretch like braid keeping my delivery consistent.

 

It's the equivalent of needing a pound of sugar and caramel in coffee or fish drowned in lemon juice, vinegar, and tartar sauce. You don't like coffee or fish. Order something you like next time.

 

Mono will work great as long as you are dialed into your equipment.

[dam0007]

On 4/7/2017 at 9:24 AM, Mike L said:

 

I'm cuious...How do you modify your SDJ knot?

 

Thanks

 

Mike

Lmaooo I don't do it right haha 

 

pinch > 7 wraps > then skip passing it through loop near eyelet and go through loop I created at the pinch. hasnt failed me yet. 

[TX-Deluxe]

I felt I had some stretch over the weekend with the XL. I'm sure wind was also contributing to my weak hooksets .

 

They say these new copolymer have less stretch over mono...Can anyone confirm this?

 

I just canr drop $20-40 On line yet. ( I don't fish for money)

..Id rather buy my kid something cool from the toy aisle....LOL

[Mike L]

1 hour ago, dam0007 said:

Lmaooo I don't do it right haha 

 

pinch > 7 wraps > then skip passing it through loop near eyelet and go through loop I created at the pinch. hasnt failed me yet. 

 

That's a good not! 

I think it's called the Pitzen 16/20. 

I used to tie that also and never had problem either. I just figured passing through 1 extra loop would make it that much better.  Just have to take more care in cinching it down. 

 

Thanks

 

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[dam0007]

1 hour ago, Mike L said:

 

That's a good not! 

I think it's called the Pitzen 16/20. 

I used to tie that also and never had problem either. I just figured passing through 1 extra loop would make it that much better.  Just have to take more care in cinching it down. 

 

Thanks

 

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just googled it! Exactly it's a Pitzen knot I use. Learn something new everyday! Lol yeah it's finicky when you cinch it if you don't pull Main and tag end snugly simultaneous. That bottom wrap may get pulled up under the other wraps especially if you have more than 5. I typically do 7 8-12lb and 5 or 6 wraps for anything higher. Braid and mono I stick with palomar. 

[Spider]

On 4/11/2017 at 9:30 AM, TX-Deluxe said:

 

They say these new copolymer have less stretch over mono...Can anyone confirm this?

 

 

This is from a article I read here. It would appear that fluorocarbon stretches about the same as mono, some brands more.

 

 

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

Whatever the topic, don't try to be convinced if you aren't. Read and listen with an open mind then make your own decision factoring in your own experience. So many times evidence offered is anecdotal with correlation but not necessarily causation. Arguably the most important aspect is confidence in what you're doing rather than the details. 

[Mike L]

18 minutes ago, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

Whatever the topic, don't try to be convinced if you aren't. Read and listen with an open mind then make your own decision factoring in your own experience. So many times evidence offered is anecdotal with correlation but not necessarily causation. Arguably the most important aspect is confidence in what you're doing rather than the details. 

 

Exactly right...I think we all can agree to this!

 

 

 

 

Mike 

[jbrew73]

in the past i tried fc and tungsten weights separately and thought "whats all the hype?".   i have since bought a really nice rod and when i went back to fc i was like wow!!. then adding tungsten i was like wholly ****!!!!.   i think it takes all the little things to add up for it to become that wow moment..    

 

all that said several of my rods still use old school stren and im ok with that too.

[WPCfishing]

I'm not a fan of either line. I like the P-Line CX. Give it a try.

note: I do note use spinning reels.