fishing knots

[Team9nine]

I avoid uni knots  - Alberto and 'J' knot here, with the occasional FG. *** or animatedknots for website how to tie info. 

 

-T9

[Darren.]

29 minutes ago, NHBull said:

Darren, I have used it often going from 10 to 8.  The trick is to pulls hard in it every 1/3 when tying it,,,,,,,,

 

But agree that the lines are so small that other knots (alberto) is easier to tie with less room for error 

 

You *just* missed the ocean-front Montana property  

[ThePolkFolk]

I tie an FG knot during prep but not good enough yet to do it on the boat; usually a uni on the water if the leader gets too short. I have had no issues with the FG so far going from 15# braid to 10# flouro.

[Hawkeye21]

I prefer avoiding all of these knots altogether and just using all braid or fluoro.  I hate mono.

[MickD]

Some conclusions, as I interpret the responses:  

 

The double uni is strong,reliable, easy to tie for everyone.   But not close to the smallest and most streamlined through the guides.

 

The FG works for some, not for others, and is the most smallest and most streamlined through the guides.  If you can make it work reliably, lucky you.  I've tried the pulling it tight for every set of weaves, and it helps. . . but not always.

 

The Alberto/"double" Albright is reliable,  easy to tie for everyone, and small/streamlined enough for almost any guides and pound tests.

 

And a couple other knots that people have found good, but are not universally known, like the surgeons knot.

 

Take your choice; I'll stick with the double uni for small line diameters, and the Alberto for the others.  Having said that, I still do have a couple rigs with FG's tied last year.  I like it, but don't fully trust it.

 

 

[BrianSnat]

I use the Alberto for floro to braid and the nail knot for fly leader to flyline.

[TH-Outdoors]

21 hours ago, Jar11591 said:

The knot I use for braid to leader is the Albright Special. I've never had a need for superglue.

Question to all, when tying these knots do they make it to where when you spool on the braid after tying the knot it makes it to where there is a slight bump in the line over the part where the knot is on the spool? For me, there is always one side of the spool that is slightly more full than the other in relativity to how much of the side of the spool is showing)

[Jar11591]

1 hour ago, TH-Outdoors said:

Question to all, when tying these knots do they make it to where when you spool on the braid after tying the knot it makes it to where there is a slight bump in the line over the part where the knot is on the spool? For me, there is always one side of the spool that is slightly more full than the other in relativity to how much of the side of the spool is showing)

 

I believe you're talking about the knot being reeled all the way into the reel? If so, I never reel my leader in that far, although I will reel it through the guides. But I imagine there would be a small bump where the knot lays. I use the same knot for backing to braid and it leaves a small bump on the spool but it quickly disappears after a couple layers of line are reeled over it. I think this is what you mean?

[Darren.]

1 hour ago, TH-Outdoors said:

Question to all, when tying these knots do they make it to where when you spool on the braid after tying the knot it makes it to where there is a slight bump in the line over the part where the knot is on the spool? For me, there is always one side of the spool that is slightly more full than the other in relativity to how much of the side of the spool is showing)

 

Different schools of thought on this. (If I understand

your question).

 

Gary Yamamoto likes to have a very long leader of

20' sometimes more because, he reasons, he wants

the knot to be on his reel when he's fighting the fish

near the boat so there is no "weak point". I.e., the

leader knot.

 

Personally, I don't subscribe to that except that I see

his logic. I prefer shorter leaders, and because I use

shorter rods, the leader knot can still just wind on to

my spool if I bring it all the way in. I try not to do that

but sometimes it happens.

[MassYak85]

10 hours ago, Darren. said:

 

BINGO!!

 

Show me a reliable FG using 10# braid and a 6# fluoro

leader and I'll show you ocean front property in Montana. 

 

The uni-to-uni is plenty small in that combination, and it

is reliable! I also agree that the Mod'd Albright/Alberto

is great in smaller diameter lines.

It can be done with smaller lines but like NHBull said you have to pay more attention to tightening it as you go or it will slip. I've done 10lb braid to 6lb leader before and it was fine. But the thing is the benefits of the FG aren't really as noticeable at those smaller diameters so I usually don't even bother. 

[TH-Outdoors]

@Jar11591 @Darren. Dang, I forgot to mention that I'm using this knot to connect braid to mono backing, not as a leader. After reeling the line over it, you don't necessarily feel the bump you can just see on the spool that there is more spool covering the side than compared to the other side. I can post a pic if you guys wanted. It has no effect on performance I was just curious if it was normal because I'm new to braid 

Edit: I just looked and it only happened to my Curado, weird. 

[MickD]

With double unis and something like 20 pound mono (backing)  you'll see and feel the bump under the line unless there is a lot of line over it.  At times the line on top can actually hang up on the tag end of the mono.  This is where the smaller knots like the Alberto shine over the double uni.

[Team9nine]

For down in the spool connections, I always just position the knot in the center of the spool with any tag ends pointed down into the spool. Eliminates any chance of snagging, and the layer lines either give me a slight bump in the spool center (which is fine, even a good thing), or more frequently the subsequent layers will split to either side of the knot (because they now have room to do so) and you'll never know it's there.

 

-T9

[NHBull]

19 hours ago, TH-Outdoors said:

@Jar11591 @Darren. Dang, I forgot to mention that I'm using this knot to connect braid to mono backing, not as a leader. After reeling the line over it, you don't necessarily feel the bump you can just see on the spool that there is more spool covering the side than compared to the other side. I can post a pic if you guys wanted. It has no effect on performance I was just curious if it was normal because I'm new to braid 

Edit: I just looked and it only happened to my Curado, weird. 

While I have ever noticed a bump from the backing to main line, if it concerns you, a small piece of tape fixes it.  

Something to be said for not using backing.....

[crypt]

On 3/14/2017 at 8:51 PM, bigturtle said:

I use alberto knot, 4-5 wraps each way, no supergue

this....

 

[Big Bait Fishing]

i've been using the Surgeon's Knot and it is probably the easiest knot to tie , it's compact ( i have micro guides on ALL my fishing rods ) and very strong 

 

from this picture it looks bulky but it is not at all ...

 

[JustJames]

3 hours ago, Big Bait Fishing said:

i've been using the Surgeon's Knot and it is probably the easiest knot to tie , it's compact ( i have micro guides on ALL my fishing rods ) and very strong 

 

from this picture it looks bulky but it is not at all ...

 

 

I use this knot with 6 wraps when leader is shorter than 2 feet otherwise uni to uni.

[tander]

I use the Alberto knot, easy to tie and it holds.

[Fisher-O-men]

On 3/15/2017 at 0:44 PM, MickD said:

I like it, but don't fully trust it.

Speaking of the FG Knot.  I know the feeling. Braid wrapped around a single strand of FC line?  You really have to trust the concept!

[MickD]

21 minutes ago, Fisher-O-men said:

Speaking of the FG Knot.  I know the feeling. Braid wrapped around a single strand of FC line?  You really have to trust the concept!

If you get it to grip solidly as you test it, it will last "forever."  With the heavier tests FC the weave will actually deform the FC leader into a sort of "corkscrew,"  and it will not slip.  Some time when you get what you think is a good FG, cut it apart to see what the weaves do to the FC.   But sometimes it doesn't grip, especially on the lighter tests.  I saw one post on it in which the poster recommended scraping the surface of the braid to remove any low friction coating.  I don't know if low friction braids or FC's are part of the problem or not.  But it might be worth some investigation.