No leader with braid

[Further North]

4 hours ago, rippin-lips said:

If you're fishing waters that have toothy fish they'll cut through braid in the blink of an eye. Also if you're fishing in waters with zebra mussels they'll do the same thing. Braid is great but it lacks abrasion resistance and sometimes you need it. That's where a leader comes in handy. 

Also good to use a leader if you fish a lot of abrasive structure.  Braid will get beat up on rocks.

3 hours ago, Scott F said:

If you think a pike or a zebra mussel won't cut FC line, you are kidding yourself

Depends on how heavy you go with the fluorocarbon leader.

 

I've fished pike an musky all day on a 30# fluorocarbon leader.

 

If I need to be stronger than that, I'll go to tieable wire leader.

[RoLo]

 

Straight braid with "no" leader?  That's INSANE!

 

Kiddin of course, just an inside joke.

We don't call it 'straight braid' though, we cell it a 'knotless delivery',

because every basser knows that bass are scared to death of knots.

 

Roger

 

[Further North]

1 hour ago, Darren. said:

Your first issue is the FG knot. It is not easy to tie anywhere

but on a stable surface. Not in a boat, no matter what the dude

in the video says.

I tie the FG on my boat the often.

 

Heck, I've tied it standing thigh deep while wading a smallie river.

[Darren.]

1 minute ago, RoLo said:

 

Straight braid with "no" leader?  That's INSANE!

 

Kiddin of course, just an inside joke.

We don't call it 'straight braid' though, we cell it a 'knotless delivery',

because every basser knows that bass are scared to death of knots.

 

Roger

 

 

Love it, Roger! The KDS, "Knotless Delivery System"!!

Of course, it is for those who have no children at home

or worry for the cost of braid,  I jest, of course.

 

But my bass aint fraid of no knots.

[OkobojiEagle]

You'll have less "walk overs" (bait walking over the line and tangling in the treble hooks) while walking top water lures and suspending jerkbaits using a nylon/fluoro leader.  Depth and retrieve speed of weighted plastics are more easily controlled using a nylon/fluoro leader.

 

 

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[Darren.]

3 minutes ago, Further North said:

I tie the FG on my boat all the often.

 

Heck, I've tied it standing thigh deep while wading a smallie river.

 

Well you're SuperMan then!! Kudos to ya!  

[RoLo]

1 minute ago, Darren. said:

 

Love it, Roger! The KDS, "Knotless Delivery System"!!

Of course, it is for those who have no children at home

or worry for the cost of braid,  I jest, of course.

 

But my bass aint fraid of no knots.

 

Darren, I wanna fish for your bass, because my bass hate me.

I keep hearing, "Let the bass tell you want they want",

but my bass don't even talk to me anymore   

[Further North]

4 minutes ago, Darren. said:

 

Well you're SuperMan then!! Kudos to ya!  

To me, the trick is keeping tension on the main line...so I hold the line in my teeth and let the weight of the rod do the work.

[Darren.]

Just now, RoLo said:

 

Darren, I wanna fish for your bass, because my bass hate me.

I keep hearing, "Let the bass tell you want they want",

but my bass don't even talk to me anymore   

 

Come on up to my waters, then. We can rent a Jon boat

and slay 'em  !!!!

Just now, Further North said:

To me, the trick is keeping tension on the main line...so I hold the line in my teeth and let the weight of the rod do the work.

 

I've tried it. Even the tutorial by the Aussie.

Not for me. And I'm pretty adept at tying a 

knot! Or maybe I'm not as adept as others....

 

[Further North]

5 minutes ago, Darren. said:

I've tried it. Even the tutorial by the Aussie.

Not for me. And I'm pretty adept at tying a 

knot! Or maybe I'm not as adept as others....

Different strokes (knots) for different folks.

 

Here's a fun one: I don't like tying the Palomar knot.  I do it anyway, because it works great...but I don't like it..

[Bass fishing is best]

3 hours ago, Further North said:

Here's a fun one: I don't like tying the Palomar knot.  I do it anyway, because it works great...but I don't like it..

 

Funny that's the only reason I used a leader occasionally.  The palomar knot takes up a bit more line so I was trying to conserve braid.  Then I realized I was just nickeling and diming myself and probably changing lures a bit too much.

 

I always used an albright knot and never noticed it catching on the line guides, if I tied the leader too long it would sure get caught in the spool though.

[cjrat33]

On ‎3‎/‎8‎/‎2017 at 6:32 PM, Scott F said:

 

If you think a pike or a zebra mussel won't cut FC line, you are kidding yourself.  I have fished nothing but braid with no leader for many years and have never had a break off from line abrasion and I'm using mostly 8-10lb line. To the original poster, your unintended experiment with no leader gave the same results that I have found. Even if you could prove that I'd get 10% less fish without a leader, I still wouldn't use one just to save me the trouble of having to buy extra line, tie extra knots, and have that knot reduce the length of my casts as it catches on the eyelets.

So do you think I am fine to tie on my texas rigged worms straight to 30 lb braid?

On ‎3‎/‎8‎/‎2017 at 9:23 PM, Darren. said:

 

Your first issue is the FG knot. It is not easy to tie anywhere

but on a stable surface. Not in a boat, no matter what the dude

in the video says.  

 

Look, people have been using uni-to-uni and Albertos for years

without major issues. They are simple, and they work, and I can

tie either while sitting in my yak in 20 mph winds being rocked

about. I know. I did it the other week.

 

I know there's a religious following for the FG knot. And I get that

it is super thin and super strong. But it is not the answer for all of

us.

 

*Most* of the time I tie the uni-to-uni these days. I'm also a big

fan of the Mod'd Albright/Alberto knot. Practice tying them well

and they'll hold for you. Set your drag properly and get your whole

system in gear for the fight (i.e., learn to play the bass on the end

of your line, drag, rod position, and so on). You can land big bass

on light line.

 

As for no leader, that's totally cool. I've caught plenty of fish that

way, but once I discovered using a leader saves the number of

times I cut into my braided mainline (ok, so I'm married and have

four voracious-appetite boys, so $$ doesn't grow on trees for me

and I wanna save my braid!!) I never looked back.

 

Again, I can and have caught bass on straight braid as have we all

who use braid. I just prefer a leader tied on, and I never worry about

the knot breaking...

 

Good luck, mate!

Darren, I want to thank you so much for letting me know of another knot! This was my first experience with braid and after 4 times on the lake, I love the feel of it. It was just the aggravation of tying on a leader that made me against it at first.  After learning the alberto knot, I will never, not have a leader on.  I even took one rod without a leader to practice tying on the water, and I did it with ease.  June will make me a full year fishing for bass on lakes, so I still have a lot to learn.  Thanks sooooo much!

[NHBull]

Saying you never use leader with braid makes me think you have limited your techniques or use straight FC for finesse.

 

I don't one a single person that uses straight braid for the lightest finesse techniques......

[Mike L]

On 3/8/2017 at 5:58 PM, Hawkeye21 said:

Zero leaders on any of my poles.  I use all braid or all fluoro.

 

Ditto

[soflabasser]

Good subject.I often fish extremely clear bodies of water(+20 foot water visibility at times) and there are days a leader makes a difference and other days it doesn't.For example,I have had days that bass did not bite unless I used 8lb mono or less and other times I have caught bass with a lure attached to 50 pound braid.