Replace trebles with owner inline hooks

[BobbyBBass]

Hey Guys ,I was wondering if anyone tried the new owner inline hooks ?, I have done some research it looks like you get better action and it's better for fishing weeds they say less likely to throw lure , If that's true great but all the research has been with inshore fishing can't find anything on fresh water. Going to try it come spring time.. 

[CTBassin860]

I havent done this but its crossed my mind.Im intrigued to see where this thread goes.

[Fun4Me]

30 minutes ago, MassBassin508 said:

I havent done this but its crossed my mind.Im intrigued to see where this thread goes.

 

I am too, but it seems that every time single hook replacement of trebles comes up responses are hard to come by. It's either one of the bigger secrets in bass fishing, or hardly anyone does it IMO. 

[A-Jay]

I don't see it catching on.

There are already plenty of effective bait options out there an angler can use to catch bass in the situations that this idea is trying to solve.

A-Jay

[Crestliner2008]

I've been using 1/0 Siwash hooks on my blade baits for the past 3 seasons now. I've convinced my hook-up ratio has not declined one bit. I go even further by crushing down the barb. Again, with no ill effects. Check this out:

 

 

[MrTightLInes]

This is very interesting. I hate trebles and have considered JUST this.

I also consider pinching the barbs, but my brain tells me it helps hook up ratio....yet I do not truly believe that. I'm such a mess! lol

[NHBull]

There has been a lot written on this lately but not from avid fisherman.

Most of the articles come from non anglers and very part time anglers questioning the humainness of trebles, vs the single hook.

 

I had a conversation last year with the guys at Spro on the topic and the bottom line for them was that baits are designed to catch fish with specific hooks.  If single hook was required, lures would change significantly.

 

[CTBassin860]

I'm going to pick up siwash hooks and see how it affects a few different lures.I'm interested how it will change the fall/rise rate or the suspension and action of a jerkbait or crankbait more than anything.Time for some fishing science and a trip to BPS!

Also we got some skim on the ice over the weekend so ill need someone to mail me a bass to put in the tub for hookup rate details

[king fisher]

I fished many waters, where a single hook was required by law.  Some lures loose balance and simply can't work with a single hook.  Others like wiggle warts work, but you have to remove the back hook and put a barrel or bead chain swivel on the front hook hanger.  This lets the hook hang towards the back but doesn't effect the action.  Many other crank baits simply wont run right with a single hook.  Chances of loosing a fish once hooked on a single hook are far less then when hooked on a treble.  That said you hook fewer fish with the single hook.  Probably making it about even in the end.  Bass release survival rate doesn't seem to suffer with treble hooks.  Trout and Salmon do much better with a single hook.

[Angry John]

There might be some times that this is a good idea, or that it may be required in certain areas.  The one bait I would never do this to is a jerkbait.  The thin round bend trebles are critical to its operation and the fact that a lot of fish just slap at the lure.  The weight is critical and changing the balance of the lure is bad.  I could see changing out a rattle trap to keep from hanging up so much but some people use that as part of the action.  Crank it into the weeds and then rip it out.  If it were the perfect idea people would be doing it!!!

[georgeyew]

I do that with most of my hardbaits. I fish in the evenings often and I do not look forward to unhooking a treble in the dark. It is just a hospital trip waiting to happen.

[BobbyBBass]

I will try it with my top water baits,I will let you know how it works.

[fishwizzard]

I have been slowly switching out all my trebles to single hooks.  There is an English company called "Cox and *something*" that makes single hooks, barbed and barbless, in most every size.  I have a small scale and try to match the weights as close as I can.  

Inline spinners all seem to work just as well, as do small lipless cranks and the smaller Rapala floating minnows.  I don't fish "normal" cranks so have no info on that.  I do change out the hooks on my cheaper jerkbaits that don't suspend well with OEM hooks, but so far have not messed with my few nicer jerks that actually suspend.  

 

 

[Airman4754]

We always replaced the treble hooks for singles on our hot shots, wiggle warts, spoons, and kwikfish for salmon and steelhead. It wasn't to increase the catch rate though, it was to make it easier to release Coho and native fish.

[GreatWyrmLord]

I am willing to test this out, but what size hooks should one use as most of the inline hooks are in the "O" sizes that I can find?

 

I pondered weighting the treble hooks and replacing them single hooks of almost the same weight.

[Angry John]

If you look at tw where the owner hooks are listed they recommend you upsize.  I ordered a pack to fix a problemishes with a bait that the treble alway hung up the rear blade.  It fixed the problem but the fish always seem to target the front hook which is a treble.  Fixed my issue with that bait which was nice but don't have feedback on how well the work as they are never hooked on the back.

[fishwizzard]

4 hours ago, GreatWyrmLord said:

 

I pondered weighting the treble hooks and replacing them single hooks of almost the same weight.

That is how I start the process, then fish them and adjust from there.  

[Crestliner2008]

The VMC Inline that I use most often is size 1/0.

[BrackishBassin]

I'm not a huge fan of trebles. Haven't had one hook me deep, but it's been close a few times. So, ant baits I make/paint get inline singles (since I have to buy hooks anyways), but I've found replacing all of the trebles to be too expensive. I have converted all of my saltwater lures over to singles though and haven't seen/experienced any issues. 

[BassNJake]

On 3/6/2017 at 7:42 AM, Crestliner2008 said:

I've been using 1/0 Siwash hooks on my blade baits for the past 3 seasons now. I've convinced my hook-up ratio has not declined one bit. I go even further by crushing down the barb. Again, with no ill effects. Check this out:

 

 

 

I thought this was my own personal modification until I saw yours.

I've been doing this for several years now and love the reduced amount of snags.

I will trim some of the lead on the larger blades to create a lighter bait that has a larger size.

I will also add a couple pieces of skirting to give it more appeal as it vibrates.

 

[islandbass]

On 3/6/2017 at 7:27 AM, MassBassin508 said:

I'm going to pick up siwash hooks and see how it affects a few different lures.I'm interested how it will change the fall/rise rate or the suspension and action of a jerkbait or crankbait more than anything.Time for some fishing science and a trip to BPS!

Also we got some skim on the ice over the weekend so ill need someone to mail me a bass to put in the tub for hookup rate details

Hopefully not by too much. Unlike spoons and other sinking baits, the suspending lures might be affected as you suspect.  

 

Looking forward seeing your research.

 

To the subject of treble vs single hook, I live in a state where certain restrictions are placed on using trebles.  As a result, by mandate, all anglers in my state in saltwater can only use single hook, barbless for the most part.  So we have to remove trebles that many lure come stock with and replace it with a siwash or other single hook.

 

I cannot state this as a fact, but my observations from give me the sense that I am perceiving that my hook set seems better with single hook over treble hook.  To me, it just feels more solid or positive.  

 

Dealing with single hook vs treble hook removal from a fish, single hook is definitely easier, lol. It's an uneasy feeling unhooking a large fish with a mouthful of treble shaking vigorously.

 

I think going barbless might be more humane and it has its pluses (easier to release fish) and minuses (no one would ever want to lose a fish of a lifetime because the fish has an easier chance to spit the hook - however, that to me is 100% user error,  MHO). With that said, I don't have anything against people using barbed hooks as long as they are following their state regs. 

 

I have never ever lost a big fish because it spit a barbless hook.  The angler simply has to remain focused enough to never let the line go slack during the battle. Knock on wood. There's a first time for everything, lol.