Are these baits a Ned Rig

[Cgolf]

With the Ned a Rig talk ramping up again, I am curious to get everyone's opinion on if the baits/flies in the picture are a Ned Rig. If you could explain your response either way that would be interesting. 

[everythingthatswims]

Winter will be over soon I promise

[Cgolf]

6 hours ago, everythingthatswims said:

Winter will be over soon I promise

 

Ha ha, this is actually a fly I have had for a few years and have had success with a longer version. I am in the fly fishers version of the bait monkey right now. I was tying up my stock of Senko flies for the year and I accidentally had one end up short which got me thinking. My thought is this fly should be able to be pitched on spinning gear too.

 

I didn't want to hijack @IndianaFinesse thread about the Ned rig. This thing definately fits the description of a Ned and if it is as warm as they predict this week I am going to try it out. Be interesting to see how durable it will be. 

 

I was actually curious though if if fit the definition lol. 

[tander]

Never seen nothing like that, what are they, wooly buggers?

[Cgolf]

12 minutes ago, tander said:

Never seen nothing like that, what are they, wooly buggers?

 

The tail is simply furled yarn with a spot of glue on the end to keep it together longer, and then just wrap the yarn to the nose. Stupid simple to tie and I have also done this with Estaz and had great luck too. I have seen it called a furlagig, but to me it is a senko fly.

[tholmes]

Results are what's important, not names. They either catch fish or they don't. I'm bettin' on the former.

 

Tom

 

 

[IndianaFinesse]

No, those are fly's.  The "Ned rig" is a small soft plastic bait under four inches long that is on a mushroom jig weighing no more than 3/32 ounce with a hook no larger than #2 or #1.  Those are some kind of fuzzy fly tied onto what looks like a bitsy flip jig with the skirt taken off. Will those fly's work? Maybe, but they aren't a Ned rig.

[Cgolf]

37 minutes ago, IndianaFinesse said:

No, those are fly's.  The "Ned rig" is a small soft plastic bait under four inches long that is on a mushroom jig weighing no more than 3/32 ounce with a hook no larger than #2 or #1.  Those are some kind of fuzzy fly tied onto what looks like a bitsy flip jig with the skirt taken off. Will those fly's work? Maybe, but they aren't a Ned rig.

 

I would definitely say midwest finesse as it is not a lot different than the marabou crappie jigs used by Chuck Woods. If I had tied it on a jig head would it have made a difference to you? I thought about tying this on a jighead, but the conehead and wire are essentially a jighead. By the way that is a size #2 hook with a conehead and 5 wraps of lead free wire. I thought I would get nailed for the hook being too big. The whole fly weighs 0.043140055 ounces which I believe works out to roughly 1/23 ounce including the material. It will have to be wet to be castable.

[KDW96]

Id give it a good try.  Alot of people have just as good luck using round jigheads. So i think yours will work also. The fish will tell you what qualifies. Most people tend to want to bring fish in like the are using heavy gear,then complain about straighten hook. Must have forgot their reel has a drag:) Givem a good try and let us no

[IndianaFinesse]

1 hour ago, cgolf said:

 

I would definitely say midwest finesse as it is not a lot different than the marabou crappie jigs used by Chuck Woods. If I had tied it on a jig head would it have made a difference to you? I thought about tying this on a jighead, but the conehead and wire are essentially a jighead. By the way that is a size #2 hook with a conehead and 5 wraps of lead free wire. I thought I would get nailed for the hook being too big. The whole fly weighs 0.043140055 ounces which I believe works out to roughly 1/23 ounce including the material. It will have to be wet to be castable.

It would fit definitely fit the guidelines for a good Midwest finesse bait, its just not a Ned rig. It used to be that a crapie sized marrabou jig was the standard bearer for midwest finesse fishermen.  The size of the hook doesn't necessarily have to be no bigger than a #2, that's just for the Ned.  I thought you were asking if it was a Ned rig, I didn't realize that was not your intention. The ned rig is not synonymous with Midwest finesse, it is just a tool that modern midwest finesse anglers employ quite often, but they continue to use other small baits such as hair jigs sometimes as well.

[Cgolf]

8 minutes ago, IndianaFinesse said:

It would fit definitely fit the guidelines for a good Midwest finesse bait, its just not a Ned rig. It used to be that a crapie sized marrabou jig was the standard bearer for midwest finesse fishermen.  The size of the hook doesn't necessarily have to be no bigger than a #2, that's just for the Ned.  I thought you were asking if it was a Ned rig, I didn't realize that was not your intention. They might work well.

 

Based on the history of how they got to the Ned rig, I was curious the bounds of it. Essentially I am imitating a plastic with another material, so I wasn't 100% sure if it had to be a plastic bait or not to be considered a ned rig. I will fish it the same though. It does look a lot like a TRD or Zinkerz though, so I have high hopes for it this year. 

 

For me flytying is all about imitation with material different than the original getting similar actions, so maybe this becomes the Ned Fly;)

[Team9nine]

I'm also going with a fly version of a Ned, but not the same thing. Smallie fly tyers did the same thing when they tried mimicking soft plastic tubes - but they were still flies. The jig head and soft plastic make the difference in my eyes (and the equipment each was built to be thrown with)...but those should still catch fish

 

-T9

[MickD]

In answer to the original question, if it's not a Ned Rig, it's not a Ned Rig.  

 

[MikeWright]

Ned fly!! And just curious...but do any of you guys know who this Ned fellow is?

[blckshirt98]

You could use those on a float n fly setup!  Someone just won the first event at Lake Shasta on the Wild West Bass Trail using a float n fly!

[IndianaFinesse]

4 hours ago, MikeWright said:

And just curious...but do any of you guys know who this Ned fellow is?

, uh... do you mean Ned Kahde?

[Cgolf]

5 hours ago, MickD said:

In answer to the original question, if it's not a Ned Rig, it's not a Ned Rig.  

 

 

Yup it's not a material irrelevant, size, and weight thing, the Ned Fly fits that, it's a plastic, size of plastic, weight thing. It is a Midwest finesse rig and will be tossed on spinning gear before our season closes since we have a warm spell. 

 

Until this his thread I wasn't 100% you couldn't imitate the plastic, the hard and fast rules are not written anywhere and Zman with the release of the big TRD muddied the waters. 

On February 13, 2017 at 0:12 PM, Team9nine said:

I'm also going with a fly version of a Ned, but not the same thing. Smallie fly tyers did the same thing when they tried mimicking soft plastic tubes - but they were still flies. The jig head and soft plastic make the difference in my eyes (and the equipment each was built to be thrown with)...but those should still catch fish

 

-T9

 

This is going to be tossed on spinning gear and the cone head and wire are mimicking the jig head. Unfortunately my options are bead or cone head, they don't make a mushroom head for fly tying;)

 

off topic, but I am trying to tie flies this year I can throw on spinning gear, because small boat two people doesn't allow for the fly rod. As I replied to others, it wasn't clear to me if the plastic could be imitated or not. I might actually tie this on a mushroom head if these don't cast well enough. 

[MickD]

Would not a tungsten bead locked at the head of the fly give the head down at rest function of  a Ned?

[Cgolf]

24 minutes ago, MickD said:

Would not a tungsten bead locked at the head of the fly give the head down at rest function of  a Ned?

 

Possibly, but I always have been too cheap to buy the tungsten beads and gone with brass instead. Hoping to give it a toss today. Also I think the yarn will soak up water and it may fall more like a salted plastic Ned than the Zman baits.

[J Francho]

They look like these flies a local guy ties.  He calls them "turd jigs."  Likes them for big browns in spring.

[OCdockskipper]

19 hours ago, MikeWright said:

Ned fly!! And just curious...but do any of you guys know who this Ned fellow is?

 

Yes, it is Ned Ryerson, also known as "Needlenose Ned" & "Ned the Head".  A graduate of Case Western High, he did the belly button whistling trick at the high school talent show.  He got shingles real bad his senior year and almost didn't graduate.  He now sells insurance in Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania.

[Dogmatic]

No, but maybe just as effective. 

[RoLo]

On 2/13/2017 at 0:47 AM, everythingthatswims said:

Winter will be over soon I promise

 

That's funny, right there 

[Cgolf]

8 minutes ago, RoLo said:

 

That's funny, right there 

 

Feels like it is over now, next 10 days highs above 50, knowing we are going to be slapped back down, enjoying it while it is here:)

[MickD]

2 hours ago, cgolf said:

 

Possibly, but I always have been too cheap to buy the tungsten beads and gone with brass instead. Hoping to give it a toss today. Also I think the yarn will soak up water and it may fall more like a salted plastic Ned than the Zman baits.

 

30-40 cents each, not bad if it gives the action you want.  Re the yarn, use synthetics-there are all kinds of synthetics that do not soak up water like most natural yarn materials.

 

You guys have my interest up, now, so I think I'll try to do a version that will act like a Ned.

 

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