smr913 Posted February 14, 2017 Posted February 14, 2017 I stretch them and let them snap back. You can hear all the salt fly out. I find stretching them gets really loosens them up and you get a lot more action from the tail. Quote
Jaderose Posted February 14, 2017 Posted February 14, 2017 Why would you buy a bait that has to be modified to use the way you want to? Buy one that does what you want. It's not like there is a shortage of bait makers. 1 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted February 14, 2017 Super User Posted February 14, 2017 I think there might 1001 ways to complicate one of the simplest baits I've seen suddenly take the country by storm. Over-complification is my game. I think I'll continue to stay away from these, and stick to my slider rigs and jig worms. 1 Quote
Super User Choporoz Posted February 14, 2017 Super User Posted February 14, 2017 I place slugs in the bags overnight ..... JK I never imagined boiling, stretching, heating or anything else...(disclaimer: I will admit that I've crazy glued (and even melted) some on heads with lousy keepers)....TRD's go from package to hook....the stick worms get cut in half...knife or scissors...doesn't seem to matter...and then put on the hook Quote
IndianaFinesse Posted February 14, 2017 Posted February 14, 2017 3 hours ago, Jaderose said: Why would you buy a bait that has to be modified to use the way you want to? Buy one that does what you want. It's not like there is a shortage of bait makers. You don't have to soak the salt out, the only thing you have to do is cut the zinkerz in half. There isn't any other bait on the market exactly like a half zinkerz, and there isn't anything that could be improved upon. Quote
fissure_man Posted February 14, 2017 Posted February 14, 2017 52 minutes ago, IndianaFinesse said: ... There isn't any other bait on the market exactly like a half zinkerz, and there isn't anything that could be improved upon. The way some of you guys talk about and defend the Ned rig in this and other threads is hilarious, like you’re preachers in the “Church of Midwest Finesse.” I wouldn’t be surprised to find shrines to ol’ Ned in some of your basements lol Let’s not forget – we’re talking about a jig head and worm here, folks. Maybe dial back the passion a touch (no offense, just an observation … carry on) 2 Quote
Super User Team9nine Posted February 14, 2017 Super User Posted February 14, 2017 9 minutes ago, fissure_man said: The way some of you guys talk about and defend the Ned rig in this and other threads is hilarious, like you’re preachers in the “Church of Midwest Finesse.” I wouldn’t be surprised to find shrines to ol’ Ned in some of your basements It's in my office - I don't have a basement -T9 2 Quote
IndianaFinesse Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 2 hours ago, fissure_man said: The way some of you guys talk about and defend the Ned rig in this and other threads is hilarious, like you’re preachers in the “Church of Midwest Finesse.” I wouldn’t be surprised to find shrines to ol’ Ned in some of your basements lol Let’s not forget – we’re talking about a jig head and worm here, folks. Maybe dial back the passion a touch (no offense, just an observation … carry on) It is in no way the best bait for all situations, but for what it is designed to do half of a zinkerz works better than any of the others I've tried, including the TRD. I was just saying that I can't think of anything that z-man could improve upon for the zinkerzs. And no, I don't have a shrine to Ned lol. 1 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted February 15, 2017 Super User Posted February 15, 2017 Back in the late 80s and early 90s, when I was just a kid, I invented the "John Rig." It was a 3" grub on a 1/8 oz. ball head jig with the sickle tail torn off after catching several smallies. I was too poor to toss the bait, so I kept fishing with it, and caught. All the Ned Rig is, is a manifestation of not over analyzing the bait you're fishing, and just see if they'll still bite. I love the the idea of the simplicity, but the complication of rigs, and "proper way" is hard to buy. Reminds me of my militant drop shot days. (See, I'm not immune to over analyzing things!) 1 Quote
Super User Paul Roberts Posted February 15, 2017 Super User Posted February 15, 2017 47 minutes ago, J Francho said: Back in the late 80s and early 90s, when I was just a kid, I invented the "John Rig." It was a 3" grub on a 1/8 oz. ball head jig with the sickle tail torn off after catching several smallies. I was too poor to toss the bait, so I kept fishing with it, and caught. All the Ned Rig is, is a manifestation of not over analyzing the bait you're fishing, and just see if they'll still bite. I love the the idea of the simplicity, but the complication of rigs, and "proper way" is hard to buy. Reminds me of my militant drop shot days. (See, I'm not immune to over analyzing things!) Hey! That was the "Paul Rig"! I did the same -too cheap to chuck old plastics. Some of it came in handy for grubs and trailers, or melted down and made into weird stuff that caught fish. However, I caught my first bass of 2017 last week, during our first thaw, on a Zinkerz (soaked, squeezed and stretched, then carefully cut with scissors) on a 1/10oz mushroom head. I have to say though, with that cold water the bass appreciated the slow retrieve of that buoyant grub. Back then I had to use a hair jig with a clip-on overhead spinner to slow things down enough to catch when it was really cold. Grubs came on a bit later. 1 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted February 15, 2017 Super User Posted February 15, 2017 You should have filed that jig down to 1/9 oz. Would have really slayed them. 1 Quote
Super User Paul Roberts Posted February 15, 2017 Super User Posted February 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, J Francho said: You should have filed that jig down to 1/9 oz. Would have really slayed them. I used to carry a broken piece of a file -just couldn't throw em away. Now I have a shiny Nicholson #111 affixed to my Orvis lanyard. Quote
Super User Team9nine Posted February 15, 2017 Super User Posted February 15, 2017 1 hour ago, J Francho said: I love the the idea of the simplicity, but the complication of rigs, and "proper way" is hard to buy. Reminds me of my militant drop shot days. I'm as guilty as anyone in this regard, but it stems from my deep appreciation and respect for the history and pioneers of our sport (Ned rig is literally the modern day reincarnation of the Beetle/Beetle Spin developed by Chuck Woods), as well as my growing cynicism with today's media culture....and maybe a little because I'm turning into a cranky old man Get off my lawn! 46 minutes ago, J Francho said: You should have filed that jig down to 1/9 oz. Would have really slayed them. See, there you go again taking a slap at history The great Charlie Brewer and his original slider system - so simple yet so complex. With a pair of side cutters you could just trim off fractions of lead at a time from his heads to get exact depth and speed control of your worm - even if that turned out to be 1/9 oz. Just kidding, of course. It is kind of sad how the old simple techniques have become overlooked these days, though. -T9 1 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted February 15, 2017 Super User Posted February 15, 2017 Just now, Team9nine said: Just kidding, of course. It is kind of sad how the old simple techniques have become overlooked these days though. I'm a Slider guy, lol. I know EXACTLY what you mean. I wrestle with the idea of getting new anglers "over the hump" and truly delving into the detail and minutia found in the rabbit holes that 30+ years of fishing leads you down. It's always important to remember that there some that take our words as gospel. I'm just a dude from Rochester, NY that digs bass fishing, like the rest of us. 2 Quote
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