WOW, This Is Hard To Believe

[Lucky Craft Man]

I have to admit that I am a gear ***** and I love high end gear.  I have quite a few NRX rods along with a dozen+ customs rods.  With that being said, this Asquith is above what I even desire.  I really have the feel of my NRX's dialed in and like that the Xpeditor service for the NRX rods are at $100 (vs. $250 for the Asquith).  The cost of ownership of the Asquith just seems beyond the reasonable realm for me.

 

With that being said, I am always a sucker for a really good drop shot rod and will keep an open mind on that one.  ?

[roadwarrior]

17 hours ago, TxHawgs said:

Can u imagine a rod lighter, more sensitive and stronger than a NRX!

 

Rainshadow Eternity 2

 

http://www.rainshadowrodblanks.com/product-line/eternity2-bass-casting/

 

[Fisher-O-men]

15 hours ago, MickD said:

How can a rod by itself be "better balanced?"  Just curious.

Don't ask silly questions!  It's G Loomis!  Just shell out the bucks!

[lmbfisherman]

That price range is definitely out of reach for me, I'll probably still purchase GLXs and continue my hunt for my first NRX. 

[fishindad]

10 hours ago, KP Duty said:

Remember when you could get the old mbr glx for under $300 online (2002ish).  You could get prettier, but really not better...  

To this day I believe there are no better rods made than the original Fuji titanium SiC, Wiebe handle GLX MBR842, 843, and 844 rods. Next closest would be the original (made in the USA!) Fuji SiC Fenwick Techna AV rods. No bling, you could feel a frog's hair twitch. But more power to anyone wanting to drop NRX coin on bass rods. You can tell I'm old school, lol.

[rippin-lips]

21 minutes ago, fishindad said:

But more power to anyone wanting to drop NRX coin on bass rods. You can tell I'm old school, lol.

You also have to account for the hype train. Some people get sucked in by it. 

[bigfruits]

1 hour ago, fishindad said:

To this day I believe there are no better rods made than the original Fuji titanium SiC, Wiebe handle GLX MBR842, 843, and 844 rods. Next closest would be the original (made in the USA!) Fuji SiC Fenwick Techna AV rods. No bling, you could feel a frog's hair twitch. But more power to anyone wanting to drop NRX coin on bass rods. You can tell I'm old school, lol.

 

I have the 5 old non Wiebe GLX MBRs and they are great rods. I dont think I will ever sell one.

 

The NRX blank is just a different animal. Feels nothing like the old GLX. The increase in sensitivity and decrease in weight (complete factory rod) is quite noticeable. They really are hard to put down. 

 

The downside is that the longer heavy power models are unbalanced.

[HookRz]

Great deals can be found on Loomis. Ogbuhda can testify to that. His Field and Stream had NRX going for $220 about a week ago. Bought one and an IMX I wanted for top water for $110. I like the NRX 843jwr (except for the recoils) but will sell it used to some tournament guy so I can say the IMX was free. I just don't feel I need that good of tackle to catch bass. I like my "good enough" Avid, IMX range rods. Interested in trying Dobyns but no one sells them around here. Love to follow and play the market though! 

[MickD]

7 hours ago, Fisher-O-men said:

Don't ask silly questions!  It's G Loomis!  Just shell out the bucks!

 

It's not a silly question.  Think about it.  The idea of attributing "balance" to a rod without a reel is meaningless.  Say you put a 9 oz reel on it and conclude it's balanced.  What happens when you put a 7 oz reel on it?  Is it still balanced?  Or an 11 oz reel on it?  Is it still balanced?

[rippin-lips]

28 minutes ago, MickD said:

 

It's not a silly question.  Think about it.  The idea of attributing "balance" to a rod without a reel is meaningless.  Say you put a 9 oz reel on it and conclude it's balanced.  What happens when you put a 7 oz reel on it?  Is it still balanced?  Or an 11 oz reel on it?  Is it still balanced?

A well balanced rod with no reel doesn't change too much when you add a reel to it. Yes, you can use a heavier reel to help get the balance to where you like it. I and others often do it. For example my 7'2 xh balances great with a 5.5oz steez 'about 3/4 the way up the foregrip' and just the same with 7oz+ monoblock. The balance point changes by about 1/4"

[MickD]

25 minutes ago, rippin-lips said:

A well balanced rod with no reel doesn't change too much when you add a reel to it. Yes, you can use a heavier reel to help get the balance to where you like it. I and others often do it. For example my 7'2 xh balances great with a 5.5oz steez 'about 3/4 the way up the foregrip' and just the same with 7oz+ monoblock. The balance point changes by about 1/4"

It may not change too much, but it has to change.  The only way a rod can remain balanced at the same point with different weight reels is if the center of gravity of the rod (balance point) is at the center of gravity of the reel.  Which would, I believe, be about in the center of the reel seat, between the "clamping points."  Not 3/4 the way up the foregrip.  If it is balanced there with one reel, the balance point will move back with a heavier reel because it will require more tip weight to balance the heavier reel placed behind the original balance point.

 

I guess a rod by itself could be considered "balanced" if the balance point were in the middle of the seat.  Most often the tip is heavy and to get it balanced in the middle of the seat the rear grip would be so long that it would be impractical to fish with.  The challenge is always to get the blank and guides as light as possible.  Then someone has to add a 1/2 oz lure way out at the end and bingo, the balance is screwed up again.   

[Tim Kelly]

Isn't the fulcrum exactly where the reel is, so the reel, of pretty much any weight is not going to effect the balance significantly?

[rippin-lips]

5 hours ago, Tim Kelly said:

Isn't the fulcrum exactly where the reel is, so the reel, of pretty much any weight is not going to effect the balance significantly?

That is correct. It's why the balance point doesn't change 'by more than 1/4 inch' on my rod with 5oz or 8oz reel. 

[bigfruits]

Like rippin-lips said, the weight of the reel changes the balance point but not by much.

 

NRX 873 w/ Metanium MGL (175g w/ no line), NRX 873 w/ Scorpion 71 (190g + braid)

[Tim Kelly]

The balance point doesn't really matter though as you hold the rod at the reel, so the balance around the reel is the only thing that makes a rod feel more or less tip heavy.

[bigfruits]

not sure I understand what you are saying.

 

in my picture, adding 15g (+braid) to the reel moves the balance point over slightly. If I were to add the 15g to the butt of the rod instead of to the reel, the balance point would be closer to the reel and the rod feels less tip heavy.

[Tim Kelly]

Of course. You are demonstrating where the actual balance point is. Earlier in the tread there was a statement about the reel weight effecting the rod balance. While it effects where the rod balances, you actually hold the rod at the reel, so that's the fulcrum. A heavier or lighter reel can't have much effect on the rod's balance when it's at the fulcrum, so the only way you can judge a rod's balance in a practical way is to hold it at the reel seat, where your hand will naturally be, and see how it feels. If you feel the need to make the tip lighter you have to add weight to the butt as a different weight reel won't change the felt balance of the rod. 

[bigfruits]

19 minutes ago, Tim Kelly said:

 If you feel the need to make the tip lighter you have to add weight to the butt as a different weight reel won't change the felt balance of the rod. 

 

adding weight to the reel will change the feel of the rod. in my example above, using the heavier reel makes the rod a LITTLE bit less tip heavy in hand. not an efficient way to balance a rod but it does change the feel just a bit. test it out when you get a chance.

if the reel (fulcrum) was exactly at the balance point, adding weight to the reel would not affect balance.

[Fisher-O-men]

14 hours ago, MickD said:

It's not a silly question.

Of course it is not a silly question.  I was being facetious.  You made a perfectly good point. it is GLoomis that is silly.

[MickD]

14 hours ago, Tim Kelly said:

Isn't the fulcrum exactly where the reel is, so the reel, of pretty much any weight is not going to effect the balance significantly?

The fulcrum is where the rod will balance on a support, and the fulcrum of the rod is usually in front of the reel seat due to most rods being tip-heavy.  If the rod balances right at the reel seat, then any weight reel will not affect the balance.  If one really wants to achieve perfect balance of a rod/reel assembly, then get a shorter blank of very high modulus and put micros on it.  Probably a very high quality 6 foot blank with micros stands a pretty good chance of being "balanced" with any reel.

4 hours ago, Fisher-O-men said:

Of course it is not a silly question.  I was being facetious.  You made a perfectly good point. it is GLoomis that is silly.

 

I've always been a little too literal.  This has been a really good discussion, though.

 

[Tim Kelly]

6 minutes ago, MickD said:

The fulcrum is where the rod will balance on a support, and the fulcrum of the rod is usually in front of the reel seat due to most rods being tip-heavy.  If the rod balances right at the reel seat, then any weight reel will not affect the balance.  If one really wants to achieve perfect balance of a rod/reel assembly, then get a shorter blank of very high modulus and put micros on it.  Probably a very high quality 6 foot blank with micros stands a pretty good chance of being "balanced" with any reel.

 

I've always been a little too literal.  This has been a really good discussion, though.

 

 

Just to add to the pedantry, you're describing the balance point. The fulcrum is the point where you actually hold the rod, so at the reel, assuming the reel is palmed. The position of the balance point, relative to the reel seat, is a way of describing how tip heavy the rod is, relative to the fulcrum.

[MickD]

3 minutes ago, Tim Kelly said:

 

Just to add to the pedantry, you're describing the balance point. The fulcrum is the point where you actually hold the rod, so at the reel, assuming the reel is palmed. The position of the balance point, relative to the reel seat, is a way of describing how tip heavy the rod is, relative to the fulcrum.

Yes, you are right. I stand corrected.  Too long out of engine school.  And this makes it even less likely that one can have a balanced outfit if one doesn't palm the reel.

 

London, UK, right?  You fish smalleys in the Oneida River in UK?  I love London.  I hope it's still as great a city as it was 22 years ago when I was last there.

[TxHawgs]

On 2/9/2017 at 9:54 AM, Lucky Craft Man said:

I have to admit that I am a gear ***** and I love high end gear.  I have quite a few NRX rods along with a dozen+ customs rods.  With that being said, this Asquith is above what I even desire.  I really have the feel of my NRX's dialed in and like that the Xpeditor service for the NRX rods are at $100 (vs. $250 for the Asquith).  The cost of ownership of the Asquith just seems beyond the reasonable realm for me.

 

With that being said, I am always a sucker for a really good drop shot rod and will keep an open mind on that one.  ?

After I buy one and talk about how awesome they are you won't be able to stop the bait monkey and he will seal the deal lol. Actually really looking forward to seeing it as in to see what components they used on it. I'm sure they will keep the blank the same color as the fly rod, what do u think? If so that's already going in the right direction for me. And now that they did away with the old GLX crankbait rods which I really like they only offer 3 I think in the E6X and then the older style ones. Do you think there gonna come out with a new line of crankbait rods soon if not at ICast?

[TxHawgs]

On 2/9/2017 at 5:01 PM, HookRz said:

Great deals can be found on Loomis. Ogbuhda can testify to that. His Field and Stream had NRX going for $220 about a week ago. Bought one and an IMX I wanted for top water for $110. I like the NRX 843jwr (except for the recoils) but will sell it used to some tournament guy so I can say the IMX was free. I just don't feel I need that good of tackle to catch bass. I like my "good enough" Avid, IMX range rods. Interested in trying Dobyns but no one sells them around here. Love to follow and play the market though! 

$220! Man I never come across stuff like that. I would of bought 10 of them lol. So Field & Stream have brick and mortar stores? Did you have many different models to choose from? Let me know when u want to sell the 843C.

[ww2farmer]

On 2/9/2017 at 3:39 PM, fishindad said:

To this day I believe there are no better rods made than the original Fuji titanium SiC, Wiebe handle GLX MBR842, 843, and 844 rods. Next closest would be the original (made in the USA!) Fuji SiC Fenwick Techna AV rods. No bling, you could feel a frog's hair twitch. But more power to anyone wanting to drop NRX coin on bass rods. You can tell I'm old school, lol.

I'm with you............My tournament partner uses his old GLX's mixed with a few newer ones, when I "borrow" one of his rods I always reach for the old ones. He has lost a few to breakage and they get replaced with newer GLX's and I just don't care for them.

 

My first "expensive rod" was a USA made Fenwick Techna AV, a 7' M spinning.........and I swear to god I could feel more on that rod with mono, then any other spinning rod I have ever owned and used with braid since. I broke that rod a long time ago, and what Fenwick replaced it with was sad compared to that old USA made Techna AV. I was so disapointed with it, I sold it, and have never bought another higher end Fenwick since it seemed you were getting HMG quality blanks (which are decent for the $$) in a gussied up package, for more $$.