WOW, This Is Hard To Believe

[TxHawgs]

Can u imagine a rod lighter, more sensitive and stronger than a NRX! I can't, but it's true. Rumor has it that Loomis will be unveiling it at ICAST 17. I'm putting a hold on any NRX purchases. Man would love to see a raw unfinished black blank w Torzite guides and a split grip different than the current NRX one. I imagine this things selling for $7 $750 $800. I'm over the current NRX and was hoping they were gonna change it. But I was told that the new GLX is not selling like they hoped lol no kidding! Took who knows how much money in design and engineers to come up w something that I could of told them in 5 min wasn't gonna be a big seller. Anyway they thought it was gonna do better and eliminate the NRX and come out w this new one. But since the GLX is a flop they r keeping the NRX. That would of been another bad idea, ya can't go from a $400 or whatever they sell for GLX to something which I think is gonna be priced so high. They would of lost a lot of sales on the people in between buying the NRX.

[bigfruits]

what do you not like about the NRX besides the price? The unbalanced heavy power models?

 

I have not fished the new GLX but i hear they are great. lighter and better balanced than the previous model. What do you not like about those?

 

Not trying to battle, just curious. i myself dont like the thick foregrip on the NRX BCs. my finger rests there and its not ideal.

 

 id love to see full cork NRX BC with no foregrip (dont change spinning rods, they are perfect). better yet, blanks for sale.

 

-z

[S Hovanec]

I'd love to be able to buy a NRX blank so I could build one right.  Then I'd be able to compare it to the other rods I fish.

[TxHawgs]

13 minutes ago, bigfruits said:

what do you not like about the NRX besides the price? The unbalanced heavy models?

 

I have not fished the new GLX but i hear they are great. lighter and better balanced than the previous model. What do you not like about those?

 

Not trying to battle, just curious.

 

-z

Lol, can't battle over what someone prefers or dosent. Or for the reasons they don't like something right, so yea no battles needed. I don't hate the NRX or I wouldn't own 15 of them. Just don't care for the guides, would like a different handle and hate the color. I have heard the same about the GLX, why they aren't selling like they hoped I don't know. Why wouldn't I buy one, because of aesthetics alone. And it's a complaint u read in forums.

2 minutes ago, S Hovanec said:

I'd love to be able to buy a NRX blank so I could build one right.  Then I'd be able to compare it to the other rods I fish.

I wish they sold the blanks too. @S Hovanec do u have any rods on the NFC HM blanks?

[S Hovanec]

3 minutes ago, TxHawgs said:

 

I wish they sold the blanks too. @S Hovanec do u have any rods on the NFC HM blanks?

 

I have one IM.  It's OK.  They don't offer the action/power I'm interested in. Prefer my SCVs.

[Lucky Craft Man]

If I was a betting man, I would guess the new blank will be the Asquith.  They rolled this blank out for the fly rods last year and I figured it wouldn't take long for them to use this blank in the bass world.  i could be wrong, but seems like it would be the logical progression.

[TxHawgs]

21 minutes ago, Lucky Craft Man said:

If I was a betting man, I would guess the new blank will be the Asquith.  They rolled this blank out for the fly rods last year and I figured it wouldn't take long for them to use this blank in the bass world.  i could be wrong, but seems like it would be the logical progression.

I seen that rod, do you know if it's CF inside the blank? That's what I heard of this new one.

[Lucky Craft Man]

1 hour ago, TxHawgs said:

I seen that rod, do you know if it's CF inside the blank? That's what I heard of this new one.

 

Yup...

 

http://www.hatchmag.com/articles/g-loomis-back-and-going-big-its-new-asquith-fly-rods/7713573

[lmbfisherman]

Sounds exciting.  

[Oklahoma Mike]

Everything I've heard so far about the redesigned GLX has been positive. I was happy to hear that and was thinking about picking one up, but now you having me giving that second thoughts, @TxHawgs. I'd be curious to hear what you dislike about them. 

[TxHawgs]

8 minutes ago, Lucky Craft Man said:

 

Yup...

 

http://www.hatchmag.com/articles/g-loomis-back-and-going-big-its-new-asquith-fly-rods/7713573

U were right then, I didn't read the article yet. But if it says that's how there built than that's them. Should be able to get an idea of cost but how they are pricing the fly rods. It's funny cuz when I heard this it wasn't long after I seen a video of those fly rods and it ran through my head quick but I should of known that was gonna be the blank.

11 minutes ago, Oklahoma Mike said:

Everything I've heard so far about the redesigned GLX has been positive. I was happy to hear that and was thinking about picking one up, but now you having me giving that second thoughts, @TxHawgs. I'd be curious to hear what you dislike about them. 

No no, I heard the same thing that they are better than the old ones. If you were thinking of getting one u should definitely check em out. I just don't like the aesthetics of them that's all.

[kickerfish1]

The GLX came just came out not too long ago. From all accounts they are more balanced than the NRX rods, have full handles on a few models, no recoil guides and the sensitivity is just under a NRX for about a hundred +/- less. The rods haven't been out long enough to right them off as a failure from a sales standpoint.

 

And based upon the design you could have told Loomis engineers that the new GLX rod line was going to fail? Sounds like they should just hire you and the problem would be solved.

[TxHawgs]

24 minutes ago, Lucky Craft Man said:

 

Yup...

 

http://www.hatchmag.com/articles/g-loomis-back-and-going-big-its-new-asquith-fly-rods/7713573

Yep that's absolutely it. And with the base fly rod starting at 1k these casting rods are gonna be at least $700-$750 bucks.

[Angry John]

That price point is deep into JDM territory with Megabass, and evergreen.  That rod better be real nice!!!

[TxHawgs]

Just now, kickerfish1 said:

The GLX came just came out not too long ago. From all accounts they are more balanced than the NRX rods, have full handles on a few models, no recoil guides and the sensitivity is just under a NRX for about a hundred +/- less. The rods haven't been out long enough to right them off as a failure from a sales standpoint.

 

And based upon the design you could have told Loomis engineers that the new GLX rod line was going to fail? Sounds like they should just hire you and the problem would be solved.

We already know they should of just hired me. I already said that? And before any Loomis fans which I have been for almost 27yrs get your panties in a bunch, I'm just repeating what they told the retailer's. And that was that the GLX hasn't been doing what they expected in sales, (WHAT THEY SAID NOT ME) blah blah blah it's all in my first post.  The hiring part, ugh yea it's called a joke. Sorry if it upset you for whatever reason. Or maybe your on the board at Shimano idk but my OP certainly shouldn't upset anyone? And if it did once again I'm sorry and also jealous as I wish I only had such a simple life.

5 minutes ago, Angry John said:

That price point is deep into JDM territory with Megabass, and evergreen.  That rod better be real nice!!!

I hope so lol. And also hoping and it should be the same color as the fly rod. 

[MickD]

How can a rod by itself be "better balanced?"  Just curious.

[EllisJuan]

This is some pretty big information.  I hope it is accurate...I love my NRXs and if they're going to make something even better I'm in.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

Phenix has been touting carbon fiber / graphite and multi directional layering process for a while. Asquith might be the "Hagane" of rods. 

[Tim Kelly]

I know what you mean about the way rod manufacturers choose to build their rods. I really dislike the builds on all GLoomis rods, St Croix are no better, but at least you can buy blanks to build them properly. Dobyns rods are the closest to something I would build myself. I suppose they have to build a rod so that it stands out from the others on the shelf, but they seem to build them willfully ergonomically wrong! Also, why is it that no rod company can cut down a reel seat? It seems hilarious to me that companies build rods with no foregrip, which I like, but leave a mile of thread from the reel seat sticking forward. Why do the reel seat manufacturers even make the threads that long in the first place?

 

Rant over. I would own GLoomis rods if I could buy blanks, or if they got someone at Dobyns to design the build, but until then....  Recently bought a Shimano Zodiad spinning rod. Good job on the handle Shimano. I would have dome the guides differently, but very acceptable!

[Turkey sandwich]

Now, I can't say that I own many $400+ rods, but...

 

this post mostly sounds like a gripe that manufacturers aren't making rods specifically to the exact preferences of each individual customer.  To make an analogy, to me, it largely sounds like complaining about the specific shade of green an F-150 is available in or the color of the insoles of a pair of pumps my lady friend has 4 different pairs of. 

 

To me, unless you build a custom rod, it seems like there are always going to be things that you might prefer.  Unless the designs are complete ergonomic trash (and I have yet to handle a $150+ spinning or casting rod that feels this way), I don't understand there being this much gusto behind the hate.  

[Lucky Craft Man]

6 hours ago, TxHawgs said:

U were right then, I didn't read the article yet. But if it says that's how there built than that's them. Should be able to get an idea of cost but how they are pricing the fly rods. It's funny cuz when I heard this it wasn't long after I seen a video of those fly rods and it ran through my head quick but I should of known that was gonna be the blank.

No no, I heard the same thing that they are better than the old ones. If you were thinking of getting one u should definitely check em out. I just don't like the aesthetics of them that's all.

 

Here's the excerpt from the article talking about how the Asquith blank is made...

"Loomis, which has been owned by parent company and conventional fishing industry juggernaut Shimano for many years now, built the Asquith using Shimano's "Spiral-X" technology. Spiral-X, a technology that is proprietary to Shimano, is only produced at one factory in Kumamoto, Japan. The Asquith blanks are manufactured in Japan and shipped stateside, where the rest of the rod building process is completed in Loomis' Woodland, Washington facility.

Shimano has a lot of fancy words — ones like "InfinityTape" and "Musclecarbon" — that it uses to describe exactly what Spiral-X is and what it does, but here's the gist: Spiral X blanks are built using layers of carbon fibers laid in alternating directions. The result is a three layer structure featuring an inner and outer layer cross-wrapped on opposing axes, with a straight or longitudinal middle layer. According to Loomis, this patented construction process significantly increases rod rigidity and reduces torsional motion (twist) without adding weight. Spiral X also allows for a thin wall blank, which reduces rod ovalization. If you're not familiar with rod ovalization, don't worry, most people aren't. It's a worry of big fish fighters — in the fly world think big steelhead, tarpon, barracuda, false albacore and so on — put simply, rods that feature less ovalization are less likely to break under big loads."

As far as the pricing goes for the Asquith fly rod, they start at $1,000.

[KP Duty]

6 hours ago, Angry John said:

That price point is deep into JDM territory with Megabass, and evergreen.  That rod better be real nice!!!

Id agree with you under the classic impression of evergreen, however, did you see the latest evergreen review on TT...less than stellar.  I think when it comes to blank performance, high end American rods are the deal, and I'd put Gray's near 25 yr old glx graphite against any megabass blank today.  Just playing devils advocate...

[smalljaw67]

The GLX redesign made the rods better, the problem was they pushed the price right inline with the NRX. So if you wanted a GLX and had the money to drop that much on a rod, what is another hundred dollars or less if you catch sales?

[KP Duty]

13 minutes ago, smalljaw67 said:

The GLX redesign made the rods better, the problem was they pushed the price right inline with the NRX. So if you wanted a GLX and had the money to drop that much on a rod, what is another hundred dollars or less if you catch sales?

Remember when you could get the old mbr glx for under $300 online (2002ish).  You could get prettier, but really not better...  

[Angry John]

4 hours ago, KP Duty said:

Id agree with you under the classic impression of evergreen, however, did you see the latest evergreen review on TT...less than stellar.  I think when it comes to blank performance, high end American rods are the deal, and I'd put Gray's near 25 yr old glx graphite against any megabass blank today.  Just playing devils advocate...

Well there are two thoughts, one the entire package matters at this price point and how the rod looks plays a huge part at this price point.  The second thing is a custom rod could be built exactly the way you want it for the same or cheaper.  I see people worry about resale on a custom rod so I guess I don't understand people who would spend that much on a rod and worry about how much its worth to someone else.  I know some buy and sell a lot so maybe its that crowd.