Flipping vs Punching Rod

[J Francho]

To get into preferences on taper and power - for heavy cover, I prefer a mod-fast extra heavy rating.

[Angry John]

16 minutes ago, J Francho said:

A "Flip" is just a cast.  Punching typically employs heavy gear, to get the bait to penetrate heavy cover.  Any rod you get to punch with, you can use a flip cast. 

 

In fact, add a flip punch cast to your repertoire, but don't take out the cat.

 

 

A flip is not a cast!   A flip is movement of the lure with extra line taken up by the off hand as shown.  The reel is never used and it a close quarters technique which allows very fast fishing due to never having to reel and cast.  It is done best with long rods to allow more distance.  A common length of flipping sticks being 8' or so.

A pitch is a cast where the reel is used and for longer ranges than the reach of a flip will allow.  It is common to go back and forth between techniques while working down the bank.

Punching is not so much a technique but how the lure and weight is set up.  You can pitch or flip with a punch setup.  The equipment is exactly the same and will vary with cover.  The thicker the cover the heavier the gear, taking into account how large of fish is common or capable of being caught in the area.

[Angry John]

32 minutes ago, fishnkamp said:

Angry John I agree my first, and not my last,  Dobyns was a Champ DC 705C. I consider it to be a fantastic rod, Much like the G Loomis IMX rods that  I used to buy.   However I was trying to keep my suggestions in the price range the op was asking for opinions on.

I don't see a price range anywhere except where you mentioned $200.  Did I miss the budget????

[J Francho]

43 minutes ago, Angry John said:

A flip is not a cast!

 

I'm not going to debate the semantics.  To me, casting a lure out isn't predicated by using reel; you're "casting out" your bait.  If your definition varies, then substitute your own verbiage.  My point is, you can flip and pitch with ANY rod and reel, and I often do.  Punching is a specific technique employed in heavy cover.  Cover dictates rod, reel, line, and bait style.  Does that explain my point better?

[Catt]

2 hours ago, RoLo said:

 

 

Can't tell you how important this is!

Here in Florida, the vast majority of bass I lose (only talking big bass),

is because I didn't turn the bass's head fast enough. Once a broad-bodied bass

gets wedged in the weeds, head-thrashing is going to grant him his freedom,

as though the hook was held in vise-grip pliers. Yeah, you'll get your lure back,

but there won't be any bass on the end.

 

Roger

 

That is the reason I preach "stay as near vertical as possible", the farther away from vertical the more cover ya have to drag the bass through.

 

That buck brush may look dead but believe me it's only dormant, I've had to cut 65# braid off cause I didn't move her fast enough. 

[J Francho]

15 hours ago, Catt said:

That buck brush may look dead but believe me it's only dormant, I've had to cut 65# braid off cause I didn't move her fast enough.

 

Sounds like a couple places where deep milfoil have zebra mussels growing on.  Braid doesn't always work here.  Awful stuff.  Oneida has emergent weeds, called "water willow."  Stuff actually has bark like stems.  With zebes growing on them.  Ugh.  Can't relate to the size of those fish, but I can relate to the problems with cover.