braid or possibly albright knot issues

[G_money]

Having an issue with my line breaking above the albright knot on Suffix 832 braid, 15# test. The break looks clean...I don't think knot came untied or anything. This being said I've only fished braid a few times, I usually just use straight high end fluorocarbon. This year I decided I would try braid on my spinning outfits. I used it the year before last on one trip, Superslick power pro, and caught about 15-20 fish before breaking my line. I can't remember if it was the braid or the fluorocarbon that time.

 

I watched a few videos on the Albright knot. Could it be the line? Or the knot? Suffix 832, 15 pound test

[Knightiac]

It could be the braid if you used it successfully with superslick, but try doubling up the braid. I use 15-20 lb braid and tie 20 lb mono to it for live bait and I double up the braid before tying - wrap it eight times. When I'm using 15 lb braid for my shakeyheads with 8 lb mono I usually tie the normal way and do 12 wraps. 

[Darren.]

2 hours ago, G_money said:

Having an issue with my line breaking above the albright knot on Suffix 832 braid, 15# test. The break looks clean...I don't think knot came untied or anything. This being said I've only fished braid a few times, I usually just use straight high end fluorocarbon. This year I decided I would try braid on my spinning outfits. I used it the year before last on one trip, Superslick power pro, and caught about 15-20 fish before breaking my line. I can't remember if it was the braid or the fluorocarbon that time.

 

I watched a few videos on the Albright knot. Could it be the line? Or the knot? Suffix 832, 15 pound test

 

G, I use PP SS8 in 15# test and use with 6, 8, 10# fluoro

or 4-15# in copoly. Also use 10# regular PP with same...

 

Either of these I've had no problems with line-to-leader.

Now the majority of the time I tie the uni-to-uni. I used

to tie an Albright, and a modified Albright, but find the 

uni-to-uni just as strong for my needs.

 

Maybe try a different knot and see if it makes a difference?

And yeah, you *could* have a bad batch of braid...

[flyingmonkie]

Breaking on hookset? Getting hung up?  Were you fishing around rock?

 

If it's breaking above the knot, it'll be hard for you to know HOW FAR above the knot it's breaking off unless you don't have much line out, your coloring your line, or you watch it break.  Right?  

[G_money]

It was breaking above knot, just not sure how far...probably pretty close based on how much line I reeled in in relation to where the fish broke off. Broke on hookset both times...with very little pressure. I did fish rocks the day before and snagged the bottom with my dropshot weight quite a bit, and thinking about it now I pulled the line hard to unsnag it with no problems...but today it was breaking on hookset and the breaks looked clean. I was not fishing rock today. I'm assuming the line has issues. My brother said he had a batch of Suffix do it to him last year, and he went back to Power Pro. He doesn't fish leaders. 

I use to use Uni to Uni. I'm going to experiment with different knots, and make sure I'm tying the albright correctly. But for now I'm stripping this line off my reel, and going back to power pro super slick.

Thanks guys

[N Florida Mike]

I use the albright exclusively with braid and have never had the knot slip.I have had breaks with braided line.I finally realized they happenned on the same rod.I searched diligently for burrs in guides with a q tip but never found a burr.The q tip will snag on the burr and leave residou.

I gave up on that rod.Havent had a break since.

[BobP]

Your hookset can make a big difference too.  Braid does not like a snap hookset and the instantaneous strain can break the braid pretty easily, even up to 20 lb braid.

[Jagg]

Loosen drag. Alberto knot.

[JustinJ]

I have had this problem as well using various different 10lb braids as well. I would cinch the Knot down and th e line would break 1/2" above the knot. I was using an Albright and Alberto. Still to this day don't know why. I have never had a problem with braid 20lbs and up 

[Jagg]

Wet knot?

[IgotWood]

Try the Alberto knot. It's a variation of the Albright. It's still very easy to tie, and it is nice and small, and smooth going through the guides. 

Also, you didn't mention what size leader material you are tying. I notice that the line diameter of both the braid, and the leader need to be very close, or else the knot comes apart. For example, 10lb flouro to 20lb braid may not be the best idea. 

[Crestliner2008]

The Alberto is the only knot I use for a braid/leader connection. Have not experienced breakage as you've described. First thing I would do is to check your rod guides for cracks. Braid itself is not very abrasion resistant. Consequently, even a minor crack or irregularity with one of the guides can weaken braid. If the rod is OK, then try the Alberto knot and make sure you wet the knot before cinching it up. And when you cinch the knot, cinch it SLOWLY. A quick cinch is sure cause a heat build up and could lead to a premature failure. 

[SFL BassHunter]

Couple things you can try. 1) Use that same line and tie a palomar and see if you have issues.

2) If you do with the palomar then change the braid out and try your albright knot. 

 

 

[d-camarena]

Ease up on the drag. Problem solved. Or bump up to 15 or 20lb braid

[Further North]

...or you can try an FG knot.

[Knightiac]

I realized I sort of read the OP wrong. Whoever suggested wetting the knot may be on to something. The albright knot has a tendency to put a lot of friction on your line, I feel like I have to wet the line a little more when tying that one than others. It's possible you're putting pressure on the line that then gets pulled up above the knot, therefore putting a weak spot above your knot.

[G_money]

I always wet my line, probably too well lol, as I've used strictly fluoro for years. I was tying 15# braid to 8# Pline Cxx, as the only fluoro I had on me was 12# or bigger. Not sure like I said it worked a few years ago with the super slick 8... I checked guides with a qtip, and found nothing that I could see. I am very careful with my equipment, and this is a rod used sparingly last season-basically a brand new NRX 852. I'm not sure (no pun intended), but I'm stripping this line off, I hate losing fish so much. I'm going to give braid another shot with Super Slick 8 and possibly SX1...if it continues giving me fits I'm out. I'm hoping to make it work out...as I don't fish my spinning reels as much because I don't enjoy mono...dumb probably I know. 

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

Run some tests. Tie your connection knot and tie leader to hook, soak line in cup for 5 minutes, now place hook around something secure and pull on line til the line the connection knot or hook knot breaks. Do it a couple times to see if its the same result.

[MassYak85]

If it was me I'd do the following (I'm assuming you don't have your drag locked down to begin with, if so that is probably the cause as braid has poor shock absorption). Tie the braid directly to something with a palomar knot, if you don't have any more issues, it was probably the connection knot failing. If you do, I'd cut off maybe 10-20 feet of line and repeat, if that fixes it I assume your line was nicked by the cover you were fishing (how long are the leaders you're using?). If it still continues I'd check the guides on your rod to make sure they don't have a crack (the Q-tip method works well as someone above me mentioned). If all that doesn't work I'd be tossing the line too. 

 

It's funny I actually switched from 15lb PP super slick to 832 this year on my spinning rod but that was for different reasons than breakage.