Locking Wrap ?

[basscatcher33]

Will I need to use a locking wrap with size 5 casting guides?  

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

You don't Need a locking wrap on any guide. It's a nice added feature if the guide design allows for it. 

[basscatcher33]

Can you explain what guide designs can allow for it, and do you recommend using a locking wrap?

thanks

[MickD]

I only use locking wraps on Fuji KLH (very tall guides) or the first two Microwave single foot guides.  Not sure they are necessary, but tall guides are more likely to snag on stuff than more compact guides.  I don't use them on micros since they are so close to the blank that they never seem to snag anything.  I know that others prefer the locking wrap on all single foot guides.

 

For a locking wrap to have some utility it would have to prevent the guide from moving without the wrap epoxy being damaged.  Period.  I don't know if they do that or not.  The only guides I've seen that had damaged wrap epoxy were on old cheap big box store rods that probably didn't use enough epoxy when originally wrapped.  

[spoonplugger1]

On a guide with two opposing wraps like your double foot casting guide the guide has nowhere to go when stressed, all single foot guides with one wrap are not "locked down" and can be pulled from under the guide wrap. Epoxy finish has no real adhesive qualities nor any real strength, if that is important to you, use Perma Gloss.

The addition of extra guides to rods recently is the result of using limp braids and single foot guides in conjunction. Decreasing distances between the guides controls loops induced in the limp braided lines that can lasso a guide and pull it out. There is another way of doing it that decreases the size of the guides down to a point where braid is much more controlled in it's movement and can't induce loops that can grap a guide. A good analogy is, which is more accurate and controlled, a 22 caliber. bullet going down a bore of similar diameter, or one going down a 12 gauge bore? Now look at the amount of slop between your line and the guides on your rods, which analogy fits your situation? After all, why do you need such big guides when the line has already gone through a much smaller guide before it even reaches the rod on a casting design? The one on the reel.

[.ghoti.]

I use dual locking wraps on every single foot guide. Easy to do, doesn't look bad, and gives me a little extra peace of mind. Why not, says me. 

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

Running guides with short feet benefit especially from a locking wrap. Some guides with short necks and vertical supports make a neat locking wrap more difficult. It's really just preference and judgement. Like Gotti said "why not". As long as you can do a secure main wrap it's nothing worth losing sleep over though. 

[MickD]

Cannot argue with your logic, folks.  But I do disagree with the comment that epoxy has little adhesive properties.  Especially if CP is not used.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

Epoxy has to help somewhat but it's no replacement for good wraps. I approach it with the thought that the thread secures the guide and the epoxy protects the thread. I avoid CP whenever possible. 

[Jrob78]

On 1/15/2017 at 3:03 PM, .ghoti. said:

I use dual locking wraps on every single foot guide. Easy to do, doesn't look bad, and gives me a little extra peace of mind. Why not, says me. 

Same, I use single footed "micro" guides about 98% of the time.  It's easy to do and effective, imo.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

You just have to be careful with finish on the micros to not clog them. 

[Jrob78]

11 minutes ago, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

You just have to be careful with finish on the micros to not clog them. 

This is very true, lol.

[.ghoti.]

2 hours ago, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

You just have to be careful with finish on the micros to not clog them. 

I wish I could say I don't know what you're talking about.

[SPEEDBEAD.]

On ‎1‎/‎23‎/‎2017 at 10:44 PM, .ghoti. said:

I wish I could say I don't know what you're talking about.

 

Same here. My jig rod micros have some additional, um, "support" on them. Thankfully none got to the eye.