How many carry while out fishing in the boat.

[MN Fisher]

6 minutes ago, NorcalBassin said:

It's like Dorothy clicking her heels! Not looking to disagree with you too much, but a relevant example of the statistics (not analysis) being driven by an objective is the number of school shootings used by anti-gun groups such as everytown. We can all agree school shootings are horrific and something that should never happen, but when someone or a group with an agenda counts every time a firearm is discharged in or at a building, on campus, or in/around the parking lot of a campus as a school shooting regardless of whether or not anyone was injured/threatened or it even occurred while students were present it skews the statistics in an attempt to meet their objective.

Agreed - it should never happen, but if you look at the statistics - deaths attributed to school shootings are on a general trend DOWNWARD

1992-1993 (44 Homicides and 55 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1993-1994 (42 Homicides and 51 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1994-1995 (17 Homicides and 20 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1995-1996 (29 Homicides and 35 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1996-1997 (23 Homicides and 25 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1997-1998 (35 Homicides and 40 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1998-1999 (25 Homicides from school shootings in the U.S.)
1999-2000 (25 Homicides from school shootings in the U.S.)

2000-2001 (19 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2001-2002 (4 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2002-2003 (14 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2003-2004 (29 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2004-2005 (20 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2005-2006 (5 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2006-2007 (38 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2007-2008 (3 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2008-2009 (10 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2009-2010 (5 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)

 

https://www.k12academics.com/school-shootings/history-school-shootings-united-states

[flyfisher]

8 minutes ago, NorcalBassin said:

It's like Dorothy clicking her heels! Not looking to disagree with you too much, but a relevant example of the statistics (not analysis) being driven by an objective is the number of school shootings used by anti-gun groups such as everytown. We can all agree school shootings are horrific and something that should never happen, but when someone or a group with an agenda counts every time a firearm is discharged in or at a building, on campus, or in/around the parking lot of a campus as a school shooting regardless of whether or not anyone was injured/threatened or it even occurred while students were present it skews the statistics in an attempt to meet their objective.

Not necessarily true as all statistics have a criteria for which they are gathered.  You found that definition as you should when the "statistics" you are presented with doesn't seem to pass the initial logic test.  You are also getting into semantics as well because every situation you mentioned is a school shooting, just maybe not school in session.  

Critical thinking skills have left the vast majority of people unfortunately so they are content to agree with anything they read that supports their ideas.

[DanielG]

1 hour ago, MN Fisher said:

Agreed - it should never happen, but if you look at the statistics - deaths attributed to school shootings are on a general trend DOWNWARD

1992-1993 (44 Homicides and 55 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1993-1994 (42 Homicides and 51 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1994-1995 (17 Homicides and 20 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1995-1996 (29 Homicides and 35 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1996-1997 (23 Homicides and 25 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1997-1998 (35 Homicides and 40 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1998-1999 (25 Homicides from school shootings in the U.S.)
1999-2000 (25 Homicides from school shootings in the U.S.)

2000-2001 (19 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2001-2002 (4 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2002-2003 (14 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2003-2004 (29 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2004-2005 (20 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2005-2006 (5 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2006-2007 (38 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2007-2008 (3 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2008-2009 (10 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2009-2010 (5 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)

 

https://www.k12academics.com/school-shootings/history-school-shootings-united-states

There's probably some political reason the website didn't go beyond 2010.... There's been a steady increase in since 2010 with it peaking at double the rate in the past couple of years.

 

[slonezp]

1 hour ago, flyfisher said:

Not necessarily true as all statistics have a criteria for which they are gathered.  You found that definition as you should when the "statistics" you are presented with doesn't seem to pass the initial logic test.  You are also getting into semantics as well because every situation you mentioned is a school shooting, just maybe not school in session.  

Critical thinking skills have left the vast majority of people unfortunately so they are content to agree with anything they read that supports their ideas.

No need to think when I have all of life's answers at my fingertips. Alexa or Siri will tell me everything I need to know.

Statistically speaking, being a white male, I have little to worry about.

 

Mass shootings are a "statistic". Mass shootings are defined as any shooting involving four or more victims. Most mass shootings, by definition, happen quite often as drive by shootings. These are not reported as mass shootings purposely, yet they are included in the statistics. 

 

Forget about statistics. School shootings, workplace shootings, mass shootings, and terrorist attacks defy statistics. They defy predictability. The above, paired with this crazy idea that the internet has brought about, that everyone's opinion matters, has changed our society.

 

3 months ago my local shopping mall had some whack job drive his SUV thru Sears and then drive thru the mall ramming the vehicle into every storefront he could.

 

I'd rather not be a statistic.

[DanielG]

11 minutes ago, slonezp said:

No need to think when I have all of life's answers at my fingertips. Alexa or Siri will tell me everything I need to know.

Statistically speaking, being a white male, I have little to worry about.

 

Mass shootings are a "statistic". Mass shootings are defined as any shooting involving four or more victims. Most mass shootings, by definition, happen quite often as drive by shootings. These are not reported as mass shootings purposely, yet they are included in the statistics. 

 

Forget about statistics. School shootings, workplace shootings, mass shootings, and terrorist attacks defy statistics. They defy predictability. The above, paired with this crazy idea that the internet has brought about, that everyone's opinion matters, has changed our society.

 

3 months ago my local shopping mall had some whack job drive his SUV thru Sears and then drive thru the mall ramming the vehicle into every storefront he could.

 

I'd rather not be a statistic.

This is the old, "even cars can be used as a weapon". Thing is. A car was invented to get you from point A to Point B. Sometimes it's used as a weapon. Anything can be called a weapon but few things were designed to be one. Firearms are designed for one thing. To kill things. 

[slonezp]

7 hours ago, DanielG said:

This is the old, "even cars can be used as a weapon". Thing is. A car was invented to get you from point A to Point B. Sometimes it's used as a weapon. Anything can be called a weapon but few things were designed to be one. Firearms are designed for one thing. To kill things. 

A gun, like a car, or a knife or a baseball bat needs someone to operate it, for it to be capable of destruction. A gun cannot think, feel, nor act on its own. It cannot get angry or hold resentment. 

We should  be discussing mental illness and the breakdown of society and the family unit if trying to come up with a solution to violence.

[Hewhospeaksmuchbull]

On 12/22/2019 at 8:13 PM, DanielG said:

There's probably some political reason the website didn't go beyond 2010.... There's been a steady increase in since 2010 with it peaking at double the rate in the past couple of years.

 

Why is it that some source their info and others dont?

[DanielG]

6 hours ago, Hewhospeaksmuchbull said:

Why is it that some source their info and others dont?

That's right. Here it is.

 

U.S. Department of Homeland security

 

https://www.chds.us/ssdb/resources/uploads/2019/04/chds_hsx_k-12_ssdb_fact_sheet_042419.pdf

[slonezp]

10 hours ago, Hewhospeaksmuchbull said:

Why is it that some source their info and others dont?

Regardless, the statistics about school shootings are a single statistic. There are far more people affected by violence in every large metropolitan area then in the above posted school statistics. Keeping on the subject of the original post, when I carry while I'm fishing, the  people committing school shootings are not the people I need to protect myself from. The guy at the lake/ramp is going to be the crack/meth head breaking into vehicles or harassing fishermen. The belligerent drunk boater who believes he owns the lake. The belligerent homeowner who believes he owns the lake.

The school shooters are at home in their parents basement writing their manifestos while playing Call of Duty. 

[NHBull]

On 11/27/2019 at 8:01 AM, DanielG said:

In 65 years I've never come close to needing one. I've never come close to needing a fist. Come to think about it, I've never had a heated argument with anyone I didn't know. I think I'll take my chances.

 

Most people who carry, I ask, "how many times have you needed it". The answer has always been "never". I ask, "how many time have you come close to needing it". The answer so far has always been "never". I ask, "why do you have it?" The answer is always, "you never know". 

 

Maybe it's where I live. Maybe it's luck. I just don't get it. And on the water, it seems like the least place around here.

Funny that there is almost nothing on this in the media

[DanielG]

14 minutes ago, NHBull said:

Funny that there is almost nothing on this in the media

I saw it. It's on CNN and USA Today, NY times, NY post, etc. and the two parishioners who shot the gunman. Thing is, statistics show that it's extremely rare.

[NHBull]

I shOld have stipulated "TV media"....and your correct, church shootings are rare and thank God for gun owning parishioners that aren't making decisions on statistics. 

[Jrob78]

Thank god TX allows churches to decide whether or not to permit CHL holders to carry inside their buildings. Gun free zones are easy pickings for criminals as they know there won't be much resistance. In my opinion this is the problem with gun control laws, they only affect law abiding citizens. There are 200-400 million guns in this country by most estimates, you can't pass laws to keep them out of criminal's hands. The best chance we have is to do our best to protect ourselves.

[slonezp]

16 minutes ago, Jrob78 said:

Thank god TX allows churches to decide whether or not to permit CHL holders to carry inside their buildings. Gun free zones are easy pickings for criminals as they know there won't be much resistance. In my opinion this is the problem with gun control laws, they only affect law abiding citizens. There are 200-400 million guns in this country by most estimates, you can't pass laws to keep them out of criminal's hands. The best chance we have is to do our best to protect ourselves.

Criminals don't care about laws. It's unfortunate that the MSM portrays guns as evil and not the individual behind the gun. It's no different than any other societal issues. Treat the symptoms rather than the problem.

[Jrob78]

11 hours ago, slonezp said:

Criminals don't care about laws. It's unfortunate that the MSM portrays guns as evil and not the individual behind the gun. It's no different than any other societal issues. Treat the symptoms rather than the problem.

Criminals and people who intend to do harm don't care about laws and will be able to get their hands on guns regardless of those laws. People scream about gun control but never really have any answers or ideas as to how that is actually going to help anything. Until you can make it so that people don't want to kill other people, it's going to keep happening and that's the sad, scary truth.

[Tennessee Boy]

Everyone should watch the video of the church shooting yesterday even though it’s hard to watch.  I’m glad my church makes sure there are trained armed people at every service.

[gnappi]

I carry 100% of the time.

 

 

[jaimeastin]

Well... better to have somewhere close than unattended where it can be stolen.  Leaving in vehicle at the boat ramp is terrible idea.  As a gun owner, we are responsible for the gun at all times.  

 

It is not that many of us walk in fear, but people and animals can be unpredictable.  The majority of gun owners NEVER need to use their guns... But there is that time where you may.  I hope to never in my life have to use it.

[schplurg]

I could see having a gun on the banks for animals in certain situations, but on a fishing boat? Not on mine. 

 

If I felt I needed to carry a gun to protect myself from other people I'd go somewhere else to fish. What is this, Deliverance?

 

Someone pages ago said they carry one in their life vest in California. Got a permit for that? Unless you're fishing in gang-banger-downtown L.A. I just can't understand that in this state. I own a gun and I would never see a need to do that.

 

Maybe in another thread, but somewhere here a guy talked about brandishing his weapon because some yokels were driving a boat up and down "his" cove disturbing the fishing. Pathetic and criminal behavior.

 

Are there drive-bys on Castaic? Boat jackings on Don Pedro? Grow up and stay away from me.

[Guitarfish]

I used to overnight on the Delta all the time.  Had some pretty shaky characters park on the channel edge and check me out.  Wouldn't bother me but this was like 3:00am.  But this is Calif.  You can't protect yourself.  Only the creeps that are checking you out have the weapons.

 

On another note,  the street behind our house has changed dramatically since they built so much low income housing and brought the BART train downtown.  Lived here 30 years before hearing of a house break in.  Had someone firing off a gun in front of the house a year ago. Found 3 hypo needles on the sidewalk last week.  Bags of garbage tossed along curb.  It is time to move.  Used to sleep with the back slider open.  Not anymore.

 

But meantime,  I spent a few hours yesterday cleaning up my 60 year old, single shot 12 gauge.  It was my step dad's.

It's leaning against the mantle now.   The zombies get past that I'm going to have to pop them with the pellet gun.

 

[TAFKABCF]

Always. 

[TAFKABCF]

It saddens me when I read a response that contains a personal attack simply for the reason that someone chooses to carry a firearm. For those who choose not to, I respect your decision and would not judge you for it. Maybe your experiences are different from mine and you see no need but let me ask you this. Have you ever pulled up to a remote ramp alone at 5:00am to find it's just you and some beater of a car with two guys sitting inside doing drugs? I have. What if these guys look at my big shiny truck and boat and see nothing but dollar signs? I'm 60 years old, am I supposed to duke it out with them? I prefer to protect myself the best way possible, and that's with a gun. I have never had the need to draw my weapon and I hope I never do, but if the situation ever arises I plan to be ready.  

[Hewhospeaksmuchbull]

So happy to be out of ca, think I'll strap up and go catch some AZ bass on any d**n stretch of water I see fit to fish.

 

 

[NDbass13]

I carry everywhere except airports, post office and government buildings.  

[Shimano_1]

As is usually the case...its your opinion and choice.  I personally pack everywhere i go and have quit going to the few places I can't. I can physically handle myself in most situations and it has nothing to do with fear. In my opinion its common sense and self preservation.  Should we need to pack guns...no. in a perfect world I wouldn't even want to. Ive been in a couple sketchy situations and I figure times are only going to get crazier. I take my wife and daughter and my dad occasionally who is getting up there in years. I'm not going to let anyone harm them and I feel better about my chances if I am armed. I hope and pray I never have a need for a gun...but if I ever do and don't have one I can't call timeout and go get it. I'm sure millions of murdered people or robbery victims thought they didn't need one either.