bigfruits Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 if you fish the senko, ika and other weightless plastics on spinning gear you have to pitch at some point. i find it more comfortable and better balanced if all of my fingers are above the reel seat. its easy to pitch with spinning but you want to learn on your baitcaster and you will be happy you did. practice in the yard so you dont waste your time on the water. Quote
IndianaFinesse Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 You can do anything a baitcaster can with spinning gear. Casting gear is better for some things, spinning is better for others, and for some it's just personal preference. Pitching is easier done on casting gear, simply because they are more powerful and the line doesn't get tangled around the reel like it does when flipping or pitching with spinning gear. Quote
Drew03cmc Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 I often do, it's one skill I've never developed with casting gear. I can make short sidearm casts with casting gear, but with spinning gear, I can go from skipping to pitching to making a long cast down the bank without swapping rods. Quote
d-camarena Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 I did it that way for years, and will do it again if i had to. Spinning gear can do anything casting can. Just a matter of preference. 2 Quote
Super User smalljaw67 Posted January 10, 2017 Super User Posted January 10, 2017 As Mike L. mentioned, you FLIP with a reel that is already engaged so you can't backlash when flipping. What you are doing is PITCHING, this is where you can get backlashes. It can be done with a spinning reel if in lighter cover with lighter baits but anything in a 3/8oz and up or in heavy cover and it has to be casting. 2 Quote
Yudo1 Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 Spend the winter practicing your pitches. When I got my first baitcaster, I got a casting plug and practiced pitching to past the time over the long winter and by spring I was a pitching machine. 2 Quote
bigfruits Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 although i prefer pitching heavier baits with a baitcaster, i am not sure why people say you cannot pitch heavier weights on spinning. all depends on the rod. not all spinning rods are medium light. 1 Quote
faygo1979 Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 Whatever works best for you, One of the guys I fish with only uses spinning and I do not see any disadvantages with what he is doing. He uses a 3000 size reel for frogs and punching with out issues. Lots of groups fish for a lot larger fish than bass with spinning tackle and are not limited to light lines and light lures. 3 Quote
Super User fishwizzard Posted January 10, 2017 Super User Posted January 10, 2017 I was firmly in the "I don't need a baitcaster" camp for a long time. I had bought a BB1 and while it is a great reel, I was struggling with it. On a whim I bought a PX68, which is a much smaller reel. That was when the light bulb went on. The smaller reel was so so much easier for me to cast with and I quickly gained proficiency and confidence. Even going back to the BB1, while it is still too big, I can take what I learned with a smaller reel and apply it to the larger one. While I am still far more accurate with my spinning combos, I have grown to really enjoy baitcasters as well and am getting more and more of them to compliment my spinners. 1 Quote
Super User soflabasser Posted January 11, 2017 Super User Posted January 11, 2017 On 1/9/2017 at 7:58 AM, Fishin' Fool said: I stink at flipping with my casting gear, it's constant backlashes. Maybe I don't have my reel settings optimized. Just curious are there many of you out there using your spinning gear for that purpose? I have always been much more accurate casting with spinning gear however I don't know if it's as easy to flip/pitch. Yes you can do flipping and pitching with spinning gear,I do it all the time and never had a problem using spinning gear for these applications.In fact,I prefer using spinning gear for most of my bass fishing, since spinning gear is very useful for a wide variety of bass fishing techniques. Quote
Fishin' Fool Posted January 11, 2017 Author Posted January 11, 2017 7 hours ago, soflabasser said: Yes you can do flipping and pitching with spinning gear,I do it all the time and never had a problem using spinning gear for these applications.In fact,I prefer using spinning gear for most of my bass fishing, since spinning gear is very useful for a wide variety of bass fishing techniques. Are you beefing your rods up to MH or H power rods? The heaviest spinning rod I own is a M. Quote
Super User soflabasser Posted January 11, 2017 Super User Posted January 11, 2017 55 minutes ago, Fishin' Fool said: Are you beefing your rods up to MH or H power rods? The heaviest spinning rod I own is a M. Yes most of my bass fishing rods are Medium Heavy or Heavy action rods and these rods have helped me land many large bass out of very heavy aquatic vegetation,which we have lots of in South Florida. As for reels,I mostly use size 3000-4000 spinning reels,since I am able to fish a wider variety of lures with these reels compared to a size 1000-2000 spinning reel.I use these exact setups for inshore saltwater fishing as well (mostly snook,tarpon,jacks,snappers,etc). 2 Quote
Global Moderator Mike L Posted January 11, 2017 Global Moderator Posted January 11, 2017 42 minutes ago, soflabasser said: Yes most of my bass fishing rods are Medium Heavy or Heavy action rods and these rods have helped me land many large bass out of very heavy aquatic vegetation,which we have lots of in South Florida. As for reels,I mostly use size 3000-4000 spinning reels,since I am able to fish a wider variety of lures with these reels compared to a size 1000-2000 spinning reel.I use these exact setups for inshore saltwater fishing as well (mostly snook,tarpon,jacks,snappers,etc). Ditto Mike 2 Quote
bagofdonuts Posted January 11, 2017 Posted January 11, 2017 You can. In fact there is one advantage a spinning reel has and that is the bait free falls on slack line, while it takes effort not to get a pendulum affect using a bc. Use this advantage by pitching to vertical cover like standing timber. Quote
Maggiesmaster Posted January 16, 2017 Posted January 16, 2017 The best way to 'pitch' with a spinning rig is to use the 'slingshot' technique. Let enough line out to reach about the last guide on your rod. Then, open the bail and, hold the line with your index finger, pull the (single hook!) lure back with your other hand. Aim the rod at the target and 'shoot' the lure; releasing the lure and the line at the same time. The first times you'll fail miserably, but you'll quickly get the hang of it. This method is the best I've found for placing lures under docks, trees, etc. Quote
Super User Darren. Posted January 16, 2017 Super User Posted January 16, 2017 Absolutely! I do it all the time. A couple of the posts above do mention heavier spinning gear for the nasty slop stuff. But yeah, some of the more powerful spinning gear gets heavy...unless you use something like a Stradic CI4+ in a 3000-4000 size. I use 1000 size reels, ML and M power rods for all my spinning needs. A 1000 is too light for some of the heavier weighted techniques, but I don't do those. Casting is great for this, as mentioned. And the tape trick is one of the best tips to ease the pain of backlashes while you learn thumb control. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted January 16, 2017 Super User Posted January 16, 2017 I can make both casts with any rod and reel. They're just a type of cast. In fact, when drop shotting, I often pitch the rig since it's easier to make a short cast with the long terminal rig. Quote
Super User Further North Posted January 17, 2017 Super User Posted January 17, 2017 On 1/9/2017 at 6:58 AM, Fishin' Fool said: I stink at flipping with my casting gear, it's constant backlashes. Maybe I don't have my reel settings optimized. Just curious are there many of you out there using your spinning gear for that purpose? I have always been much more accurate casting with spinning gear however I don't know if it's as easy to flip/pitch. Short answer: Yes. You'll give up a little accuracy, but you'll gain distance...kind of a push. I'd spend the time to learn how to do it with a baitcaster...you'll be a better fisherman for the effort. Quote
Super User iceintheveins Posted January 17, 2017 Super User Posted January 17, 2017 Yeah you can. But it's much better with casting gear. It didn't take me that long to learn with a baitcaster, so I'm sure you can too. The main thing with pitching is a smooth motion and a pendulum type swing. Quote
Super User Fishes in trees Posted January 17, 2017 Super User Posted January 17, 2017 You can pitch with any gear you want. Back in the day there was a time when I stunk at pitching, couldn't get it right. I now know that I didn't have the right tool for the job - however I could get by with spinning gear on a MH rod. Then I got the bright idea of getting a Zebco under spin. A spin cast reel that mounts underneath the rod, like a spinning reel. That is a great reel. It will handle 17 or 20 lb mono. I fished it for a couple of years until a regional pro at a BFL tournament (Eddie May, no clue where he is or where he is fishing right now) took pity on me and showed me how to pitch. Just for the record, there isn't any reason you can't put a Zebco 33 on a pitching stick and go to town. You can pitch with any rig you want to. If you aren't real good with a bait caster and you're trying to pitch in close quarters, a decent spin cast reel like a mid-range Zebco isn't a bad way to go. It will tack back lashes out of the equation. Quote
Fishin' Fool Posted February 20, 2017 Author Posted February 20, 2017 Thank you all for the encouragement. I decided to get to work and practice as the weather allowed in Michigan. I was pretty wild at first and wanted to give up. Then I started getting more accurate. First I started flipping my kids sand buckets and Halloween candy bucket. Then the targets got smaller and smaller as I got better. Today I culminated with my kids drinking cups (about 3" opening) I got in there 4 times in less than an hour. I even tried a red Solo cup shot glass lol. Not quite that good yet. Anyway thanks to those that said stick it out its a skill you need. 1 Quote
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