Shimano NASCI

[DenhamBruce]

Can't say that without handling all of them. I know they're not as nice as a BG lol at least that reel is made out of metal.

[Sammies77]

3 hours ago, Cheesefrank said:

Aside all the Diawa fan boys the conclusion of the matter is there is no reel out there on the market for fresh water bass fishing,which is what I do, that is better built and as light as the nasci for 100 bucks ,bottom line.

this is true ... lol

Well I'd have to totally disagree with that. Almost every other reel manufacturer makes a reel under a hundred bucks with an aluminium frame....Daiwa, pflueger, lews, heck even quantum. The pflueger supreme has a magnesium frame and rotor and is much lighter than the nasci for the same price. 

 

 

[webertime]

Plastic/Thermoset/Thermoplastic/Carbon/Graphite etc. aren't inherently bad.  Plenty of big trolling reels out there that are Graphite are run for years or even decades.  With that family of materials though, when something fails it gives no warning or yield beforehand.  Whereas "Metals" do, thus giving you some warning to replace the part or be careful (IE stem/neck of a spinning reel).  That more than anything is what makes the "Metal Frames" more advantageous. 

 

Stiffness?  well that's not really true...  Aluminum is used in 747's wings flex up and down 6' over the course of a flight...  and that same wing will fly for MILLIONS of miles.  Even Aluminum is used in diving boards, so it flexes a lot and is still strong.  A composite bicycle frame can be worlds stiffer than any steel or aluminum frame, it's all in how the materials are applied to a structure. 

 

This shouldn't be about Daiwa vs Pflueger vs Shimano vs Carbon vs Alu. vs Lews vs. bamboo vs rice paper...  because that's all sort of pointless. the producers of a fishing reel have engineers that are exponentially smarter than us and know what they are doing as far as applying materials to a structure for a specific use.

[Sammies77]

2 hours ago, webertime said:

Plastic/Thermoset/Thermoplastic/Carbon/Graphite etc. aren't inherently bad.  Plenty of big trolling reels out there that are Graphite are run for years or even decades.  With that family of materials though, when something fails it gives no warning or yield beforehand.  Whereas "Metals" do, thus giving you some warning to replace the part or be careful (IE stem/neck of a spinning reel).  That more than anything is what makes the "Metal Frames" more advantageous. 

 

Stiffness?  well that's not really true...  Aluminum is used in 747's wings flex up and down 6' over the course of a flight...  and that same wing will fly for MILLIONS of miles.  Even Aluminum is used in diving boards, so it flexes a lot and is still strong.  A composite bicycle frame can be worlds stiffer than any steel or aluminum frame, it's all in how the materials are applied to a structure. 

 

This shouldn't be about Daiwa vs Pflueger vs Shimano vs Carbon vs Alu. vs Lews vs. bamboo vs rice paper...  because that's all sort of pointless. the producers of a fishing reel have engineers that are exponentially smarter than us and know what they are doing as far as applying materials to a structure for a specific use.

It's cheaper to build a graphite framed reel than aluminum. Thats all it comes down to period, It's all about profit. 

 

How well do you think the Stella would sell if they started making it with a graphite body? Compare a stradic and nasci side by side and see which one has more flex in the body and stem. You can argue your airplane, diving board, and bike theory all you want but it's pointless. A graphite framed reel has more flex than aluminum and causes gear misalignment under stress which leads to premature wear. 

 

Now reels like the ci4 or daiwa zion are a different story, they are far superior to the graphite material used on the nasci and other lower end reels. 

 

[burrows]

 Well the question was if This is a good reel and what their opinion was on it, I have one and that is my opinion you have a different opinion that's fine your entitled to it.

[webertime]

17 minutes ago, Sammies77 said:

It's cheaper to build a graphite framed reel than aluminum. Thats all it comes down to period, It's all about profit. 

 

How well do you think the Stella would sell if they started making it with a graphite body? Compare a stradic and nasci side by side and see which one has more flex in the body and stem. You can argue your airplane, diving board, and bike theory all you want but it's pointless. A graphite framed reel has more flex than aluminum and causes gear misalignment under stress which leads to premature wear. 

 

Now reels like the ci4 or daiwa zion are a different story, they are far superior to the graphite material used on the nasci and other lower end reels. 

 

 

That's not what I am saying. And I agree to a point about the cost of production.

[Sammies77]

I guses what I'm trying to get at is shimano is about the only reel manufacturer that doesn't have a 100 dollar aluminum framed reel. The symetre used to be aluminum, but they cut cost and switched it to graphite. They try to confuse customers with silly catch phrases like hagene. You won't find ANY information stating what the frame is made from on the nasci anywhere on shimano's site. They are purposely trying to trick people into thinking it has an aluminumbody by putting a hagane logo right on the body. I'm not necessarily saying the nasci is a terrible reel, but it would definitely be better with an aluminum frame. It would also be better with a direct drive handle, heck even a 30 dollar pflueger Trion has one!

 

And I'm not a shimano hater or whatever, I have plenty of stradic and older curados that I love.