Finesse jig ned rig

[Pond]

Has anyone tried the skirted ned rigs? If so how do they do? Do they catch less small fish?

[Ktho]

I've used them a bit, I like them. The size of fish didn't really change but I mostly use them in a lake that pretty much just as 1-2.5lb fish so not much to compare it to that way.

[WRB]

What are you trying to achieve by having a skirted Ned rig? If you want to add more movement pull a few strands of living rubber through the grub body to look like legs.

Another simple addition would be GYCB Hula skirt cut into 2 halves, slide the 1/2 skirt in front of the grub to create added movement, color without changing the falling action.

Tom

[Pond]

I guess there going for a bigger profile with the same action? I don't know haven't tried them yet was looking for more info on them I got a email with a video showing them. I have had so much success with the ned rig it has me interested. None of my local stores have them in stock yet. 

[Bluebasser86]

There's no way to get the same action out of a Ned rig when a skirt is added. 

I've done well with 2/3 of a stick worm as a trailer on a finesse jig.

 

[Team9nine]

2 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

There's no way to get the same action out of a Ned rig when a skirt is added. 

I've done well with 2/3 of a stick worm as a trailer on a finesse jig.

 

 

^^THIS^^ 

 

Unfortunately, Z-man is just trying to capitalize on the whole "Ned" thing with the jig, IMHO. One of the things that helps make the "Ned Rig" so effective (mushroom jig head, esp. Gopher's) is actually a pretty bad idea for a skirted jig. Much better micro jigs on the market if you want to go that route.

 

-T9

[fishwizzard]

47 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

 

Much better micro jigs on the market if you want to go that route.

 

-T9

 

Can you recomed some?  I have really liked the Z-man ones so far.  With one of their leech lures or the small Bat wingts as a trailer they have a very slow fall and are inexpensive enough that I don't mind tossing them into like exposed roots or snags.  I don't think trying to use any of the MWF retrieves with them would work out well, but as a tiny jig I have liked them well enogh, but will take any excuse to buy some new tackle 

[Team9nine]

They'll certainly catch fish, just nothing special about them, IMO. Lots of finesse and micro jigs on the market. One's I've used that you might look at are Keitech Tungsten, Kahara, Jackall, Damiki (these are mostly micros) along with Booyah Baby Boo, Black Angel, SK Bitsy, and Jewel (all traditional finesse). If you go to the Tackle Warehouse site and search "finesse jigs," you'll find a big selection to try.

 

-T9

[fishwizzard]

I have a few of the Kietech and while they are tiny and have great action, they are too expensive to fish agressivly on light line when I will lose them to most any snag I can't wade over too.  I am about half as sad to loose $2.50 as I am to loose $5.   

 

I like my finesse jigs as light and compact as I can get them and the Zmans are also fairly close to their advertized wights, the 1/8oz ones clocking in at ~.166oz, where most of the other less expensive jigs are either larger, heavier, or both. 

[IndianaFinesse]

24 minutes ago, Bunnielab said:

I have a few of the Kietech and while they are tiny and have great action, they are too expensive to fish agressivly on light line when I will lose them to most any snag I can't wade over too.  I am about half as sad to loose $2.50 as I am to loose $5.   

 

I like my finesse jigs as light and compact as I can get them and the Zmans are also fairly close to their advertized wights, the 1/8oz ones clocking in at ~.166oz, where most of the other less expensive jigs are either larger, heavier, or both. 

Try the kahara jigs, those little things are killer when pitched (obviously with spinning gear because of there weight) around docks and light weeds.  I like to tip them with one inch or two inch curly tail grubs.

[Ktho]

2 hours ago, Team9nine said:

 

^^THIS^^ 

 

Unfortunately, Z-man is just trying to capitalize on the whole "Ned" thing with the jig, IMHO. One of the things that helps make the "Ned Rig" so effective (mushroom jig head, esp. Gopher's) is actually a pretty bad idea for a skirted jig. Much better micro jigs on the market if you want to go that route.

 

-T9

 
Really? I really like the mushroom head with the skirt, it works as a standup head with a TRD. When paused the TRD strands straight up and still kinda quivers while the skirt slowly opens up. I haven't found many other small standup jigs with skirts that also have the wire keeper for the elaztech. 

[IndianaFinesse]

13 minutes ago, Ktho said:

I haven't found many other small standup jigs with skirts that also have the wire keeper for the elaztech. 

You don't need a wire keeper for elaz-tech, just super glue them on.

[smalljaw67]

The skirted mushroom jig isn't for a NED rig, it is simply Z-Man's version of a finesse jig. If you like the way the jig stands up, well guess what, take a ball head micro jig and add the Z-Man plastic and it too will stand up, I've done that with ball head shaky head jigs just to prove you didn't need a flat spot on a 1/8oz head for it to stand up. The other thing is when you begin getting into weed guards or big hooks, you get further away from the concept of the NED rig, which is intended to fished around sparse cover and open water to catch fish that are pressured or in a neutral mood, the reason for the mushroom head and small hook is that the bait is flush with the head which helps it come through grass better. The small hook benefits from the bulk of the plastic plus the hook point is close to the head so anything the head moves out of the way the hook seldom grabs, and fishing it myself the way it was described by purists I found it rarely hangs up. If you go to In-Fisherman there is an article by Ned Kehde about a guy that uses the 1/20oz Shroomz head and actually cuts off some of the lead to make it 1/32oz and he cuts down the different baits he uses so that most are 2.5" to 3" and depending on the bait, some aren't retrieved on the bottom but 6" to 2' above bottom. So as most anglers are adding weight to their rigs, the guys that are masters of it keep trying to shave weight, but I get it, I've watched guys fishing 1/8oz shaky heads with 30lb braid with a 12lb fluorocarbon lead on a MH casting rod and tell me they are finesse fishing.

[Team9nine]

If the jig does what you want it to and catches fish, then keep doing what you're doing ? No sense changing what isn't broken. But for me, the Gopher mushroom head, with it's downshaft double barbs is designed for near horizontal drops and retrieves. I swim my Ned rigs way more than most from the sounds of it. I only go to a more traditional jig if I want to penetrate cover. In those instances, the mushroom head is of no benefit - it's actually a hindrance.

 

-T9

[fishwizzard]

Sadly a lot of the smaller rivers I fish have been badly eroded so there are a lot of very deep (relative to the average run depth) but very small pools where a swimming presentation will never get deep enough before the current takes the lure away.  Tiny jigs seem to work better for me in these pools then just upping the jighead weight and using a "naked" plastic.  

 

I love the Gopher heads once I get the plastic on them, but trying to get a fresh zman plastic on one while standing on a wet rock is pretty frustrating.  I really wish they would offer a small-hooked mushroom head jig with either a wire keeper or no keeper at all.  

[William Rossi]

I have been melting skirts on half a stick for a while. Not technically a NED but I kill them on it. I use a 1/16 weedless ball head. I even make them with the 7" stick

 

[WRB]

53 minutes ago, William Rossi said:

I have been melting skirts on half a stick for a while. Not technically a NED but I kill them on it. I use a 1/16 weedless ball head. I even make them with the 7" stick

 

Looks like 1/2 GYCB Hula skirt to me^^^^

Tom

[Big Swimbait]

Or the Cabin Creek Spider Parts small size - killer on a light ball head jig. The thicker tentacle is to rig the jig head weedless if you need to.