Al Lindner - Daiwa?

[Big-Bass]

Is this a new partnership with Daiwa? Just watching the show today and noticed it. It was using Tatula's on St. Croix Legend Glass rods.

[Darren.]

16 minutes ago, Big-Bass said:

Is this a new partnership with Daiwa? Just watching the show today and noticed it. It was using Tatula's on St. Croix Legend Glass rods.

 

Just looked at their web site and yep, they're now with Daiwa.

 

http://anglingedge.com/sponsors/

 

I remember when they were with Shimano and Shimano made
the best reels in the world. Then they went back to Quantum and
Quantum made the best... Now I suppose Daiwa makes the best,
LOL. The almighty dollar speaks! Can't blame them, it's how they
make a living...

[Jeff H]

When were they with Shimano?  

[Team9nine]

25 minutes ago, Jeff H said:

When were they with Shimano?  

Jumped from Shimano to Quantum toward the end of the 2010 season - on board in 2011 with Quantum. New partnership with Daiwa just started several months back.

 

-T9

[smalljaw67]

When they were  with In-Fisherman they used Quantum, then they switched to Shimano for a few years. After Shimano they went back to Quantum and now it seems to be Daiwa, and yes, I'm with Darren 100%, whoever shells out the most money has the best according to the "never lie" Al Lindner. But then again, when it comes to money I guess God can forgive Al for spreading some small "white lies".

[S. Sass]

12 minutes ago, smalljaw67 said:

 I'm with Darren 100%, whoever shells out the most money has the best according to the "never lie" Al Lindner. But then again, when it comes to money I guess God can forgive Al for spreading some small "white lies".

That can be said and has been said about any sponsorship. If the sponsor is paying enough they can do no wrong. Happens every day all the way to the top of politics.

 

This was and is my concern with YouTube folks that go from down to earth honest discussions / reviews of products to making it a business taking sponsorship money and want to claim how they are still straight shooters while piling the sponsor bucks and gear in their truck. Hence as you say, "when it comes to money I guess God can forgive <insert name here> for spreading some small "white lies"." The facts and reality tell anyone with a brain how quickly loyalty changes when you introduce enough $. Give me enough $ I might not divulge a reel is slightly inferior as I smile and fish with the free supply of tackle the sponsor provided.   I won't lie about it but that doesn't mean I have to tell you its better or worse than product A. 

[kickerfish1]

Same goes for KVD and Quantum. Companies know who the popular and likeable faces out there are. They know that to some folks and especially to younger or less experienced anglers, that they will often buy something because they noticed a certain pro or well know angler was using it. I recall many years ago buying some lures, line, and fishing rods because I noticed they were being used on a fishing show that I liked. As I have grown older I have came to the realization that unless I am being given something for free and being paid to promote it I am better off making decisions based upon my own research rather than what pro anglers use.

 

For guys like Aaron Martens who switched from Megabass to Inigma it wasn't anything to do with believing that Inigma was a superior product but rather everything to do with money.

 

If I was someone with a big time YouTube channel, a Fishing Show, or a Pro Angler I would use whatever my sponsors gave me and paid me to use. If I felt their products were costing me money than I would either look for new sponsors or just not have a sponsor for that particular part of fishing (IE. Rod, Reel, or Line) and just pay for whatever I needed out of pocket.

 

 

[Big-Bass]

Well said...I was always surprised by their dedication to sponsorship to Quantum from the 80s through the 2000s and then again in the late 2000s/2010s.  They (the Lindners) may even frequent this site and read these posts as a member or guest which might give them a good laugh as we jest over why they choose what they choose.  I can see Shimano and Daiwa since I feel that their product line generally surpasses other manufacturers but again, that is up to who is paying who and products being brought to market.  I get that marketing and promotion of products is important but I think it is interesting that they are now with St. Croix and Daiwa; two very traditional and standard, yet innovative brands.

[Jeff H]

Well, God Bless their every effort!  Love the St. Croix/Daiwa connection!

 

 

[hoosierbass07]

So they follow the money all the while giving a little Bible message at the end of the show.  lol.  Hypocrites.  Still, I like more than dislike their show even though I get a little infuriated with the religious message at the end. 

[cottny27]

9 minutes ago, hoosierbass07 said:

So they follow the money all the while giving a little Bible message at the end of the show.  lol.  Hypocrites.  Still, I like more than dislike their show even though I get a little infuriated with the religious message at the end. 

Yes, when did the religious stuff start? 

[FryDog62]

I do think when Daiwa introduced the SV concept they did become the superior reel, so yeah I would say it and take the money too....  but what happens when Shimano moves ahead in a few years with some other new technology

[hoosierbass07]

9 minutes ago, cottny27 said:

Yes, when did the religious stuff start? 

 

 I've been watching the show for a few years and at the end of the show Al gives an inspirational message often quoting the Bible.  He did an episode where he basically said if you don't like it then don't watch.  Fair enough.  

[ww2farmer]

Let me file this right here in the big stack of...................things I could care less about.

 

Money Talks....The #1 reason a TV fishing show exists is to sell product. Teaching is secondary.  How else do you think these guys are able to afford traveling around and producing these shows..............it ain't by putting duct tape over the logos of everything they use on screen.

 

Some keep the hocking of the wears to a bare minimum, some do it in a cartoonish over the top manner.

 

I have always found the Lindner's on what ever progrum they were on to strike a good balance of sales pitching and teaching.

[Jagg]

2 hours ago, ww2farmer said:

Let me file this right here in the big stack of...................things I could care less about.

 

Money Talks....The #1 reason a TV fishing show exists is to sell product. Teaching is secondary.  How else do you think these guys are able to afford traveling around and producing these shows..............it ain't by putting duct tape over the logos of everything they use on screen.

 

Some keep the hocking of the wears to a bare minimum, some do it in a cartoonish over the top manner.

 

I have always found the Lindner's on what ever progrum they were on to strike a good balance of sales pitching and teaching.

Pretty much. Christians can't make money?

[smalljaw67]

9 hours ago, kickerfish1 said:

Same goes for KVD and Quantum. Companies know who the popular and likeable faces out there are. They know that to some folks and especially to younger or less experienced anglers, that they will often buy something because they noticed a certain pro or well know angler was using it. I recall many years ago buying some lures, line, and fishing rods because I noticed they were being used on a fishing show that I liked. As I have grown older I have came to the realization that unless I am being given something for free and being paid to promote it I am better off making decisions based upon my own research rather than what pro anglers use.

 

For guys like Aaron Martens who switched from Megabass to Inigma it wasn't anything to do with believing that Inigma was a superior product but rather everything to do with money.

 

If I was someone with a big time YouTube channel, a Fishing Show, or a Pro Angler I would use whatever my sponsors gave me and paid me to use. If I felt their products were costing me money than I would either look for new sponsors or just not have a sponsor for that particular part of fishing (IE. Rod, Reel, or Line) and just pay for whatever I needed out of pocket.

 

 

 

I agree with you on this but I wouldn't bring KVD into the mix and I'll tell you why. That guy is loyal and money be damned, I read an article about 7 or 8 years ago and I can't remember the name of it. Anyway, they were doing a segment about sponsorships and KVD has had the same boat sponsor as well as rod and reel sponsor that he started with since he became pro. It doesn't sound like a lot but according to the writer, KVD has turned down offers from every other boat manufacturer who offered more money and stayed with Nitro and he also said he was approached by every single big name lure and tackle maker with most offers exceeding what he gets now. Most other anglers I would not believe because I watched Ike, Reese, and Martens just to name a few, switch long time sponsorships without blinking an eye while KVD is still with SK and Quantum and you know that there are others in the tackle game with deeper pockets, at least on the rod and reel side. Every other angler is the same though, if the money is right they will sell you vinegar and claim it is sweeter than sugar.

[OkobojiEagle]

A revolving door of hyped tackle but bass are still being caught, hmmm... maybe it's not about the tackle?

 

"An ounce of biology is worth a pound of tackle", Dick Bengraf

 

 

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[WIGuide]

4 hours ago, smalljaw67 said:

 

I agree with you on this but I wouldn't bring KVD into the mix and I'll tell you why. That guy is loyal and money be damned, I read an article about 7 or 8 years ago and I can't remember the name of it. Anyway, they were doing a segment about sponsorships and KVD has had the same boat sponsor as well as rod and reel sponsor that he started with since he became pro. It doesn't sound like a lot but according to the writer, KVD has turned down offers from every other boat manufacturer who offered more money and stayed with Nitro and he also said he was approached by every single big name lure and tackle maker with most offers exceeding what he gets now. Most other anglers I would not believe because I watched Ike, Reese, and Martens just to name a few, switch long time sponsorships without blinking an eye while KVD is still with SK and Quantum and you know that there are others in the tackle game with deeper pockets, at least on the rod and reel side. Every other angler is the same though, if the money is right they will sell you vinegar and claim it is sweeter than sugar.

Although this is true, you have to remember that KVD has put himself in a position to do this. The man is an incredible fisherman and has made a bunch of money off his fishing career. He hasn't had to worry about how much his sponsors are paying him. With his success, he also hasn't had to worry about sponsors wanting to drop him simply because he isn't relevant enough anymore. There are so many of those pro's that may start out with sponsorships they really want to have and believe in, but that company chooses to part ways because said angler is no longer bringing enough of a return. That has happen with a lot of the older guys. When they started they were with a company for most of their career, but then the company decides to replace them with someone up and coming. For tournament anglers something like that is crippling since the price to play is so high. If someone drops you, unless you have a ton of sponsors, you need to fill that gap or else that part of the price to play is coming out of your pocket.

[thunderblack]

I do not think Al changing brands is a big deal at all. They have to make a living and they have a great show. They are very loyal to the brands they have been with and things change sometimes. I also think its awesome these guys are christians and share their faith at the end of the show. They practice what they preach and in no way are hypocrites.

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

Most here seem to think its the Linders jumping brand to brand for the $$$. Maybe the Brand company is getting short on $$$ needs to cutback and didnt want to pay for sponsorship anymore. 

[FryDog62]

13 hours ago, smalljaw67 said:

 

I agree with you on this but I wouldn't bring KVD into the mix and I'll tell you why. That guy is loyal and money be damned, I read an article about 7 or 8 years ago and I can't remember the name of it. Anyway, they were doing a segment about sponsorships and KVD has had the same boat sponsor as well as rod and reel sponsor that he started with since he became pro. It doesn't sound like a lot but according to the writer, KVD has turned down offers from every other boat manufacturer who offered more money and stayed with Nitro and he also said he was approached by every single big name lure and tackle maker with most offers exceeding what he gets now. Most other anglers I would not believe because I watched Ike, Reese, and Martens just to name a few, switch long time sponsorships without blinking an eye while KVD is still with SK and Quantum and you know that there are others in the tackle game with deeper pockets, at least on the rod and reel side. Every other angler is the same though, if the money is right they will sell you vinegar and claim it is sweeter than sugar.

 

If you think about - at the time KVD became loyal to Nitro and Quantum they were not top-tier brands (and some would argue they still aren't).  Yet he stayed with them over the years in a sport where the difference from first place to 10th can be minimal.  Now that is some serious brand loyalty IMO... 

[Scott F]

3 minutes ago, FryDog62 said:

 

If you think about - at the time KVD became loyal to Nitro and Quantum they were not top-tier brands (and some would argue they still aren't).  Yet he stayed with them over the years in a sport where the difference from first place to 10th can be minimal.  Now that is some serious brand loyalty IMO... 

 

Where is this list of "top tier" brands published? Who determines what is a top tier brand? 

[Columbia Craw]

One of the most dangerous words in the English language: Speculate

 

 

[new2BC4bass]

45 minutes ago, Scott F said:

 

Where is this list of "top tier" brands published? Who determines what is a top tier brand? 

 

The buying public?  What is "top tier" to us (people reading and posting on forums) may not necessarily be the product that sells the most.....rods, reels, boats, etc.  Zebco seldom gets mentioned on a fishing forum, but there are plenty of their reels being used.  You seldom see Ugly Sticks mentioned here either...in a serious manner...but I've read they are the number one selling rod for saltwater use in Florida.  Walk into a Walmart and tell me how many "top tier" rods and reels you see compared to what we consider to be a waste of money, yet Walmart has no problem selling thousands of them.  Those of us fishing what we consider to be "top tier" are probably a minority although I think the Internet is bringing awareness to more and more people.

[Spankey]

Fishing shows of today are no different than that of 35 years ago. The picture of HD and graphics are industry advancements but they are all set up to catch fisherman more so than to catch fish.