BPS Pro Qualifier 2

[Kevinator1]

Hey guys, just saw that Bass Pro has a new version of the Pro Qualifier. 1.5 oz lighter than the original. Looks a little sleeker and updated which it needed to be. Same price though...that's good. May have to try one out. 

[riverbasser]

That's cool. Pro qualifier is a great real for the price, especially when its on sale

[Goose52]

A much needed update to their bread and butter reel. BUT, is it too little, too late to recapture market share that they probably lost while the PQ just got older and older ?

 

For this new iteration, weight is 7.3 ounces - not too bad. BUT, there was a 6.7 ounce PQ years ago - it was the original, gold-colored Carbonlite which had an aluminum drive gear, driveshaft, wormshaft, and clutch pawl, along with a lighter handle. Otherwise it was parts-interchangeable with a PQ.

 

Trying to follow the high-speed craze, the new PQ gearing now tops at 7.5:1 (31 IPT), going down to 6.8:1 (28 IPT), and bottoming out (for now?) at 5.6:1 (23 IPT). Part of the versatility of the old PQ was those two lower ratios giving 21 IPT and 19 IPT - hopefully something lower than 23 IPT eventually shows up in the new line-up.

 

Well, good luck to them - for sure they will be able to capitalize on the rep of the previous PQ and capture some sales on that alone...

[Jeff H]

1 hour ago, riverbasser said:

That's cool. Pro qualifier is a great real for the price, especially when its on sale

 

How much do they go for on sale? 

[riverbasser]

23 minutes ago, Jeff H said:

 

How much do they go for on sale? 

I have 4 of them. Bought one at reguler price $99. One for $89 on sale and earlier this year got two for $79. All online but they run more sales in store if you have one close by.(I don't)

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

The cheapest I've seen the PQ is $65 but $89-$99 is common. Retail used to be $129.

[Mike L]

Hmmm, my 10yr old PQ is my work horse reel and still going strong. I may have to check those out. 

 

 

Mike 

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

3 hours ago, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

The cheapest I've seen the PQ is $65 but $89-$99 is common. Retail used to be $129.

I stand corrected. The $129 was likely a JM model. Point remains though the PQ is a value at list and even more so on sale. 

[webertime]

The The new Johnny Morris 2.0.

9/1 bearings (6/1 on pq2)

carbon handle (aluminum on pq2) 

6.7oz vs 7.3oz (JM 2.0 vs pq2)

14lbs drag (10lbs on pq2)

Available in 8.#:1 ratio even in lefty.

Carbon Fiber side plates (not so sure about that)

 

 

For$20 more than a pq2...  

Steal......... 

[Goose52]

Indeed - the JM Carbonlite 2.0 certainly has more than $20 in added value over the PQ 2.

 

Now that there is a new JM Carbonlite 2.0 (which appears to be the same platform as the PQ 2) - I wonder what BPS will do with the current 5.8 ounce JM Carbonlite (white) reel which is a completely different platform with a different braking system...

 

In any event - clearance prices coming on the earlier gen reels...

[Jeff H]

1 hour ago, webertime said:

The The new Johnny Morris 2.0.

9/1 bearings (6/1 on pq2)

carbon handle (aluminum on pq2) 

6.7oz vs 7.3oz (JM 2.0 vs pq2)

14lbs drag (10lbs on pq2)

Available in 8.#:1 ratio even in lefty.

Carbon Fiber side plates (not so sure about that)

 

 

For$20 more than a pq2...  

Steal......... 

This is the way I'd go.  The PQ description says nothing about the drag material and the Carbonlite has a 6 disc carbon fiber drag and that one thing alone would almost be worth the extra $20 to me.  I would certainly find another $20 if I had to!  What would keep me away from these reels is the dual braking system.  Not a fan. 

 

Right now Cabela's has the Arachnid (Daiwa Tatula Type R) on sale for $110.  That's cheaper than I've seen the Type R's on ebay! THAT is a steal!

[CTBassin860]

I'm heading to BPS tomorrow.I planned on checking this out.Glad I picked up the 7.1:1 29 IPT before they changed all the ratios.Hope the made it better and didn't ruin a good thing.

[WayToGo88]

I love the look of the new PQ. I might get one.

 

[bass raider]

Is it just me or does it look very similar to the Lew's LFS frame?

[WayToGo88]

23 hours ago, bass raider said:

Is it just me or does it look very similar to the Lew's LFS frame?

Hey, im not complaining

[dwardmba]

12 hours ago, Goose52 said:

Indeed - the JM Carbonlite 2.0 certainly has more than $20 in added value over the PQ 2.

 

Now that there is a new JM Carbonlite 2.0 (which appears to be the same platform as the PQ 2) - I wonder what BPS will do with the current 5.8 ounce JM Carbonlite (white) reel which is a completely different platform with a different braking system...

 

In any event - clearance prices coming on the earlier gen reels...

This freaked me out just a bit (ok, freaked me out might be too strong). Just bought two in the past month to pair with a 7'MM carbonlite for cranks and a 7'MHF for spinnerbaits/ jigs (a 5x and a 6x respectively). Nothing like seeing your brand new reels become 1.0 within two weeks of buying them.

From what I could see the composite side plates are now carbon fiber and the duraluminum gear is now brass. Think it is now heavier by an ounce?

[Goose52]

1 hour ago, dwardmba said:

This freaked me out just a bit (ok, freaked me out might be too strong). Just bought two in the past month to pair with a 7'MM carbonlite for cranks and a 7'MHF for spinnerbaits/ jigs (a 5x and a 6x respectively). Nothing like seeing your brand new reels become 1.0 within two weeks of buying them.

From what I could see the composite side plates are now carbon fiber and the duraluminum gear is now brass. Think it is now heavier by an ounce?

 

The "new" JM-CL 2.0 is now on a different reel platform than the "1.0" that you just bought - so you can't compare weights by the identified parts differences - they're different animals.

 

The PQ has always been a Doyo-based reel. The "Johnny Morris-Carbonlite" (both the original black/charcoal and later white color that you just bought) were based on a Dawon design having both the centrifugal and magnetic braking adjustments on the outside of the reel. The NEW JM-CL 2.0 reel, based on the photographs, is now back to being an upgraded PQ, and as such is back to a Doyo platform having the earlier DBS system with magnetic adjustment on the outside of the reel and the centrifugal settings on the spool.

 

Older JM-CL (1.0) = Apples, New JM-CL 2.0 = Oranges ... 

[dwardmba]

Thanks for clearing that up. Appreciate your many posts on reels-  a lot of knowledge passed on. 

[cottny27]

Looks like an improvement...fatty lost some weight and inches.  I'd like to check one out in store.

[CTBassin860]

2 hours ago, cottny27 said:

Looks like an improvement...fatty lost some weight and inches.  I'd like to check one out in store.

I went this morning and they didn't have them.The guy told me they were getting rid of the old ones to make room.The other good news is because of the cabelas merger they have the daiwa tatula ct online!

2 hours ago, cottny27 said:

Looks like an improvement...fatty lost some weight and inches.  I'd like to check one out in store.

I went this morning and they didn't have them.The guy told me they were getting rid of the old ones to make room.The other good news is because of the cabelas merger they have the daiwa tatula ct online!

[cottny27]

On 12/26/2016 at 6:10 PM, 5965derek said:

I have owned several pq's, Johnny Morris golds, the bronze carbonlites, black and white carbonlites. The gold were tanks just too big and too heavy.  Loved the bronze carbonlites and didn't much care for the white or black ones. The only one I still have is a pq I bought 5 years ago that has handled deep cranking duty like a charm. I hope they don't ruin a good workhorse like the pq making it lighter and such. I've turned a lot of guys onto them if they were looking for a reel that would last for under 100 bucks. Curious to see how these new reels hold up

The bronze Carbonlite??  Is that the one from about 6-7yrs ago some consider gold?  The 6.7oz with the carbon handle with the same platform as the PQ.  A guy just sent me one to take apart and clean.  Claims there is a problem with the drag which I have yet to see.  I'm hoping to make an offer on it when I'm done since he doesn't really use it anymore.  What do you guys think would be a good offer??  Its got some minor chips, but overall is in good shape.  

[Goose52]

2 hours ago, cottny27 said:

The bronze Carbonlite??  Is that the one from about 6-7yrs ago some consider gold?  The 6.7oz with the carbon handle with the same platform as the PQ.  A guy just sent me one to take apart and clean.  Claims there is a problem with the drag which I have yet to see.  I'm hoping to make an offer on it when I'm done since he doesn't really use it anymore.  What do you guys think would be a good offer??  Its got some minor chips, but overall is in good shape.  

 

It's amazing how well the original "gold" Carbonlites (CL10H) have held their value. I just checked 3 completed eBay listings and they sold for between $65 to $80 (with the difference being box/no box and cosmetic condition).

 

Anyway, I own 4 of this model Carbonlite - nice reels (I still have 2 NIB for a rainy day ). One thing I would check is the condition of the brass brake drum for the centrifugal brakes and the condition of the spring-loaded brake shoes. If the drum isn't scored too badly and if the shoes haven't worn down too much you could make an offer around $65 or so and it would probably be fair.

 

Check out:

CL 1

CL 2

CL 3

[cottny27]

38 minutes ago, Goose52 said:

 

It's amazing how well the original "gold" Carbonlites (CL10H) have held their value. I just checked 3 completed eBay listings and they sold for between $65 to $80 (with the difference being box/no box and cosmetic condition).

 

Anyway, I own 4 of this model Carbonlite - nice reels (I still have 2 NIB for a rainy day ). One thing I would check is the condition of the brass brake drum for the centrifugal brakes and the condition of the spring-loaded brake shoes. If the drum isn't scored too badly and if the shoes haven't worn down too much you could make an offer around $65 or so and it would probably be fair.

 

Check out:

CL 1

CL 2

CL 3

Thanks.  I was thinking around $60-70 before breaking into it...and I wonder if Outdoor World still has some of the parts for this model.  It still seems very smooth for its age.

[Goose52]

1 hour ago, cottny27 said:

Thanks.  I was thinking around $60-70 before breaking into it...and I wonder if Outdoor World still has some of the parts for this model.  It still seems very smooth for its age.

 

On parts - the Carbonlite-unique parts include the drivegear, driveshaft, clutch pawl, and worm shaft (all aluminum), the handle, and of course the gold colored frame, nose piece, clutchbar, and sideplates. Hard to say if Outdoor World still has that stuff. But, those parts, and all the others, could most likely be substituted by PQ parts which should still be available. The CL spool tension cap is unique to the CL as well and I can't say offhand if a PQ cap would substitute (if so, it wouldn't have the "clicks").

[cottny27]

2 hours ago, Goose52 said:

 

On parts - the Carbonlite-unique parts include the drivegear, driveshaft, clutch pawl, and worm shaft (all aluminum), the handle, and of course the gold colored frame, nose piece, clutchbar, and sideplates. Hard to say if Outdoor World still has that stuff. But, those parts, and all the others, could most likely be substituted by PQ parts which should still be available. The CL spool tension cap is unique to the CL as well and I can't say offhand if a PQ cap would substitute (if so, it wouldn't have the "clicks").

Goose,

If you are ok with it I may attach some picks of the internals once I take it apart.  Hopefully you will comment on them.  Sounds like you may be an expert when it comes to this reel.  I'm not so sure how good my eye is on identifying which parts are worn.  I plan on polishing up the brake drum anyway + the spool & pinion.  The bearings don't sound like they are bad from what I could tell so far.