Is mono the answer?

[Raul]

42 minutes ago, bendem said:

If a manufacturer recommends 2-6# mono for a given reel, what's the heaviest test of YZH you'd recommend for that reel?

 

4 lbs ( if you can find it ), even though YZH is mono ( as in monofilament ) it´s a copolymer ( nylon + FC ) and copolymers are slightly thicker and less flexible than for example straight nylon, the advantage is that their breaking strength is ridiculously high.

 

[WRB]

I don't know why bass anglers can't figure out that memory in mono or any single filament fishing line is directly tied to the diameter of the line.

Yo-Zuri Hybrid mono/FC line is 3 lb test sizes larger in diameter the most other mono line.

Sunline Super Natural mono.   Yo-Zuri Hybrid

6 lb test = .008 D.                  6 lb test = .010 D.

8 lb test = .009 D.                  8 lb test = .011 D.

10 lb test = .010 D.                10 lb test -= .012 D.

 

You all call Yo-Zuri "thick line" I call mislabeling to convince anglers the line is strong,it should be the 6 lb test line is actually 10 lb test line!

Tom

[SFL BassHunter]

Hey Bendem I've had 10lb mono on the trion 25. I don't fish anything less than 8lb and 8 is rare.

 

I haven't had issues with running out of line while fishing. I think you can safely go to 10lb on the trion and have enough line.

 

 

WRB I also don't like the "mislabeling" of YZ. You're right, it's stronger because it's thicker.

[Angry John]

38 minutes ago, WRB said:

I don't know why bass anglers can't figure out that memory in mono or any single filament fishing line is directly tied to the diameter of the line.

Yo-Zuri Hybrid mono/FC line is 3 lb test sizes larger in diameter the most other mono line.

Sunline Super Natural mono.   Yo-Zuri Hybrid

6 lb test = .008 D.                  6 lb test = .010 D.

8 lb test = .009 D.                  8 lb test = .011 D.

10 lb test = .010 D.                10 lb test -= .012 D.

 

You all call Yo-Zuri "thick line" I call mislabeling to convince anglers the line is strong,it should be thier 6 lb test line is actually 10 lb test line!

Tom

I believe what you are saying is true but your comparison is not exactly fair.  Sunline makes some of the thinnest lines that break at or near the rated test.  This is not what is the standard on the American market but is the standard in japan.  Compared to Berkeley  XT YHB is thin.  I use XL the standard by which i compare relative thickness.   I think strength compared to dia is a great way to compare evenly. 6lb YHB breakes at 11.8 lbs ish and that leaves you almost  1.2lbs per MM of dia.  Now how does the sunline compare.

http://forums.tackletour.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=51332 some test data not a direct comparison but relates to some of what i am talking about!

[new2BC4bass]

43 minutes ago, WRB said:

I don't know why bass anglers can't figure out that memory in mono or any single filament fishing line is directly tied to the diameter of the line.

Yo-Zuri Hybrid mono/FC line is 3 lb test sizes larger in diameter the most other mono line.

Sunline Super Natural mono.   Yo-Zuri Hybrid

6 lb test = .008 D.                  6 lb test = .010 D.

8 lb test = .009 D.                  8 lb test = .011 D.

10 lb test = .010 D.                10 lb test -= .012 D.

 

You all call Yo-Zuri "thick line" I call mislabeling to convince anglers the line is strong,it should be thier 6 lb test line is actually 10 lb test line!

Tom

 

It seems any time a line is highly rated for abrasion resistance, it has a larger diameter and is stronger than the ratings of other monos/co-polymers.  Other examples are Big Game, Isorline Platinum and P-Line CXX.  The last two especially are noted in this area and both have larger diameters than Yo-Zuri with Big Game being the same.  These lines are also known to have more memory although Big Game is good after it gets wet.

 

I agree with Tom.  Companies mislabel their lines so they can claim it has the highest breaking point in its class.  Well....it should if it has a larger diameter than other lines of the same lb. test it is being compared to.

[WRB]

Berkley XL mono.    Yo-Zuri Hybrid  Berkley Big Game coploy

6 lb = .009.             6 lb = .010.     -------

8 lb = .010.             8 lb = .011.       8 lb = .011

10 lb = .011.           10 lb = .012.      10 lb = .012

 

Does this make you all feel better? 

Tom

[Angry John]

i wish everyone had a chart like this it helps me a lot

[The Bassman]

In my short time on this board I can't help but notice that the discussion of monofilament lines creates a lot of disagreement.  One just has to understand that plastic fishing line is at best a compromise of several properties. There is no perfect mono/copoly/hybrid.  One must choose as relates to his application.  As I mentioned before, focus on diameter not lb. test.  Beyond that educate yourself about various product's characteristics (manageability, abrasion resistance, etc).

 

[SFL BassHunter]

5 minutes ago, The Bassman said:

In my short time on this board I can't help but notice that the discussion of monofilament lines creates a lot of disagreement.  One just has to understand that plastic fishing line is at best a compromise of several properties. There is no perfect mono/copoly/hybrid.  One must choose as relates to his application.  As I mentioned before, focus on diameter not lb. test.  Beyond that educate yourself about various product's characteristics (manageability, abrasion resistance, etc).

 

I think this happens not just in discussions about mono though. Same goes for other lines, reels, rods, and lures. There is no magic line that everyone will agree is the very best line. But there may be a magic line for me, another for you, and another for each person here. Like you said you need to educate yourself about the different products characteristics and figure out which ones are most important to you, and figure out which ones you can compromise on.

 

[K_Mac]

I used 6# YZH for years. It helped me to learn how to use a spinning reel to minimize problems. Closing the bail manually while lifting the rod tip to reduce twist, and liberal doses of KVD L&L are essential in my opinion.

 

The last couple of years I have been using 6# Invisx. It works well. You need to check for abrasion and retie regularly, but that is part of using light line.

 

If the L&L website recommends using a cloth to apply, that is new. I have been using it for years the way it says on the bottle, sprayed on. It works well. I see no need to change anything...it ain't broke, so why mess with it?

[The Bassman]

2 minutes ago, SFL BassHunter said:

I think this happens not just in discussions about mono though. Same goes for other lines, reels, rods, and lures. There is no magic line that everyone will agree is the very best line. But there may be a magic line for me, another for you, and another for each person here. Like you said you need to educate yourself about the different products characteristics and figure out which ones are most important to you, and figure out which ones you can compromise on.

 

 

Amen and Amen!

[K_Mac]

7 minutes ago, SFL BassHunter said:

I think this happens not just in discussions about mono though. Same goes for other lines, reels, rods, and lures. There is no magic line that everyone will agree is the very best line. But there may be a magic line for me, another for you, and another for each person here. Like you said you need to educate yourself about the different products characteristics and figure out which ones are most important to you, and figure out which ones you can compromise on.

 

 

I completely agree. I am always amazed at how some folks will love one of these products, claiming it is the best ever, while others rant on and on about how bad it is. We are all wired differently and some of you guys weird!

[The Bassman]

1 minute ago, K_Mac said:

 

I completely agree. I am always amazed at how some folks will love one of these products, claiming it is the best ever, while others rant on and on about how bad it is. We are all wired differently and some of you guys weird!

 

I take great pride in my weirdness!

[Raul]

1 hour ago, K_Mac said:

I used 6# YZH for years. It helped me to learn how to use a spinning reel to minimize problems. Closing the bail manually while lifting the rod tip to reduce twist, and liberal doses of KVD L&L are essential in my opinion.

 

The last couple of years I have been using 6# Invisx. It works well. You need to check for abrasion and retie regularly, but that is part of using light line.

 

If the L&L website recommends using a cloth to apply, that is new. I have been using it for years the way it says on the bottle, sprayed on. It works well. I see no need to change anything...it ain't broke, so why mess with it?

 

True, however, in this case, I blame OP's issues with YZH's performance because of the reel spool size, quite small making the line coiled too tightly. I have 6 lb YZH spooled in my JDM Daiwa Revros 2004 and works flawlesly, of course it's coiled on a larger reel with a shallow spool, I also have 8 lb YZH in one of my Daiwa Pixies and the same thing, shallow spool, large coils, no memory issues.

[bendem]

On 12/22/2016 at 11:10 AM, Tim Kelly said:

BTW One really important thing with braid, especially in the wind, is to learn to feather the line during the cast so that it's pretty taught when your lure hits the water. Feathering the line and stopping it when the lure hits the water not only stops the big bow of line from the cast forming, but it helps enormously in stopping the "wind knots" forming on your spool. Flip the bail manually and keep half an eye on the spool for loops forming across the top of the spool. I cast by trapping the line against the open spool with my finger and releasing it as I cast, the finger can then feather down on the line as the cast progresses and can trap the line against the spool again at the end of the cast to straighten everything out.

Thanks very much for your suggestion. I've seen videos that show the feathering technique, and that's something I'm looking to practice. I'll probably sound like Mr. Dainty Fingers for asking this, but do you run into any issues when applying pressure with your finger against braided line? That sounds like it could hurt. Or can you apply pressure against the spool lip instead of the line?

[bendem]

On 12/22/2016 at 1:03 PM, MassYak85 said:

Personally I think a 35 size Pflueger reel is a little large for what you are doing. I use a 30 size President and 30 size Supreme and can't imagine needing anything larger for LMB or SMB fishing. I am partial to using braid with a leader and I never go less than 15lb braid for a mainline. 

Thanks for your feedback about the Pflueger reel size. I agree that a size 35 is likely larger than needed. I bought that reel before I had specific plans for Ned Rig fishing. For what it's worth, I heard from one of the primary contributors to Ned Kehde's MWF articles that he fishes with several anglers who use size 35 President reels for the Ned Rig, so I'd guess that size is not a hindrance as long as the balance feels right.

[WRB]

19 hours ago, Angry John said:

i wish everyone had a chart like this it helps me a lot

What does pound test mean if not the break strength? If you catch a potential IGFA fish on Yo-Zuri it will be disallowed because the line must break at or under the lb test.

Tom

[Tim Kelly]

No problem with your finger getting rubbed by the line. It takes a bit of practise before it becomes a natural way to cast, but well worth it. Your casting will become a lot more accurate too as you will be able to get the distance right much more easily. I suspect the people that don't like using spinning gear would appreciate it much more if they learned this technique.

[Angry John]

1 hour ago, WRB said:

What does pound test mean if not the break strength? If you catch a potential IGFA fish on Yo-Zuri it will be disallowed because the line must break at or under the lb test.

Tom

i dont use the chart that way, i use it for dia, and breaking strength for that dia.  It is a wonderful reference and allows me to see all the most critial information on the line.  Now if i were worried about a catch that i wanted to register for a record then that would be an entirely different problem, but i just want to catch them and have fun.  How many fishermen is that a real problem for??? 

[WRB]

1 hour ago, Angry John said:

i dont use the chart that way, i use it for dia, and breaking strength for that dia.  It is a wonderful reference and allows me to see all the most critial information on the line.  Now if i were worried about a catch that i wanted to register for a record then that would be an entirely different problem, but i just want to catch them and have fun.  How many fishermen is that a real problem for??? 

Very few anglers even give line diameter a second thought, they look at the pound test and go with it. A knowledgable angler would submit a line class record using Yo-Zuri by break strength, not lb test.

Have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Years, Peace!

Tom

[JRammit]

I'm with the Trilene XL guys.... I haven't tried any other brands, because i haven't had to

 

Sometimes they get it right the first time 

[Raul]

4 hours ago, JRammit said:

I'm with the Trilene XL guys.... I haven't tried any other brands, because i haven't had to

 

Sometimes they get it right the first time 

 

Sorry pal, for me XL is only good for dental floss, XT ? Now we're talking.

[K_Mac]

26 minutes ago, Raul said:

 

Sorry pal, for me XL is only good for dental floss, XT ? Now we're talking.

 

I agree. The XL may cast and handle great, but it is too soft and stretchy compared to XT. I use XT for cranks, and topwater baits with good results. 

 

I don't care for XL as dental floss though. That is one of the few places braid might work better!

[JRammit]

14 hours ago, Raul said:

 

Sorry pal, for me XL is only good for dental floss, XT ? Now we're talking.

 

Since I have nothing to compare it to, I can't argue..... But I've tried XT and didn't like it, felt like fishing with an old coil telephone cord compared to XL

[Attila]

As a seasoned shore fisherman, casting into any type of wind with a braided line is just plain suicide unless you're throwing a lure that weighs at least 3/4oz which might be able to keep the line from getting picked up by the breeze. On days like this I break out the rods loaded with InvizX which has the handling characteristics of mono but will also help me keep the bait down which is important when there's a lot of wave action.

 

As others have mentioned, keep your rod tip down on the cast and if you can get away with a sidearm delivery go for it.