How does this boat gain 1,500lbs. with a trailer?

[tcbass]

Supposedly my 2014 Stratos 186 VLO has a dry weight of 1,500lbs. with a dual console and with a trailer I suspected it'd weight close to 2,000lbs. Which would be fine for a Subaru Outback to pull which has a tow weight limit of 2,700lbs. However, I checked the trailered weight and it comes up with the boat and trailer weighing around 2,720lbs. Does the trailer really weight 1,500lbs?

 

If 2,700lbs. is the correct weight for the boat and trailer than I definitely can't trailer it with a Subaru Outback.

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.boatingmag.com/boats/stratos-186-vlo?lkiXMcUAczA1xBwq.03

 

http://www.stricklandmarine.com/inventory/v1/Current/Stratos-Boats/Bass/2014-186-VLO/Base--Anderson-South-Carolina---1656861

 

http://www.arrowheadmarine.com/new_vehicle_compare.asp?veh1=410127&veh2=410127&CatDesc=

 

 

 

[J Francho]

I don't think dry hull weight includes gas and outboard motor.

[BrianinMD]

Its all in how weights are defined, dry weight to trailered weight is a lot more than just adding the trailer. Dry weight has nothing at all in the boat. The trailer weight has everything added to go use it.

And no I would not remotely use an Outback as the tow vehicle for an 18ft glass boat.

[J Francho]

Yeah, the 115 weighs around 375 lbs.

Add in batteries, TM, accessories, and you've got your weight.  I'd never dream to tow an 18' glass boat with an Outback.

[Way2slow]

Dry weight is basically how it comes out of the mold.  Add the rigging, TM and batteries (200-300 pounds) motor (400-500 pounds), trailer (600-800 pounds) and the stuff you haul in it, it all adds up.  Mine has a dry weight of approx. 1,600 pounds but it's tow weight is approx. 3,100 pounds.

 

Take it to a feed store or truck stop that has scales, and weigh it with gas and gear in it, then you will know what your tow weight is. 

[tcbass]

Thanks. I thought dry weight meant entire boat and motor, everything but trailer. I was wrong.

[J Francho]

This is one of those threads that I like because it really helps someone learn what's up.

[A-Jay]

19 hours ago, tcbass said:

Supposedly my 2014 Stratos 186 VLO has a dry weight of 1,500lbs. with a dual console and with a trailer I suspected it'd weight close to 2,000lbs. Which would be fine for a Subaru Outback to pull which has a tow weight limit of 2,700lbs. However, I checked the trailered weight and it comes up with the boat and trailer weighing around 2,720lbs. Does the trailer really weight 1,500lbs?

 

If 2,700lbs. is the correct weight for the boat and trailer than I definitely can't trailer it with a Subaru Outback.

 

 

 

Where as the Subaru Outback (2014) weighs somewhere around 3400 lbs

A1500 GMC pick up  crew cab (2010) for example weighs a bit over 5400 lbs

The extra ton is a nice to have right there; especially when braking.

The rule of gross tonnage applies.

 

You may need a different vehicle to safely tow that boat.

A-Jay

 

[Way2slow]

I have a 285 Pro I used to tow with a 1986 Toyota pickup and it didn't do too bad, until one day when it was raining I had to make a fairly sudden stop.  It was a slick concrete road and if the car that had my lane blocked had not moved up at the last second enough that I just barely missed it (still not sure how the boat/trailer managed to not hit it) I would have driven right through the side of it.  I was in the center lane on a busy road with cars on both sides.  Normally on a dry road, I would have had plenty of time to stop, which the cars on each side of me did, but every time I tried to apply much brake pressure that slick section of road and small pickup would just make the tires slide and the trailer would just keep trying to jack knife me.  There was a little girl sitting on the back seat of that car looking at me while I was headed straight for her door.  Not a fun feeling at all, knowing if I hit it, she was definitely going to get hurt.

[Cmiller]

I sell subarus for a living. The 2700 pound capacity is for a 6 cylinder model, and the trailer should really be equipped with brakes. I think your boat is definitely pushing it for an outback. 

[tcbass]

Thanks guys. I definitely won't tow it with the Subaru.

[Puggz]

Please note that towing capacity is inclusive of all cargo, including occupants, luggage, etc.

Its a loophole they use to boost towing ratings.

 

For example, your fictional truck has a towing capacity of 5000 lb.  Now you add 2 lg adults (500lbs), luggage and gear (another 500 lbs), now your towing/cargo capacity is down to 4000 lbs.

 

Also, boat companies do a similar trick showing that their dry weight is as low as possible.  start adding things like fuel, batteries, trailer, spare tire, motors, etc etc.  It adds up in a hurry. 

 

As others have stated here, just because a vehicle has enough power to pull something, doesn't mean it can stop with that load in motion. 

 

Not to mention, that poor subaru will never be the same again...

[tcbass]

Thanks. Took it to a rock place. The Stratos 186VLO with 115 horse Evinrude Etec weighed 2,960lbs. on the trailer. Not far off from it's suggested 2,700lbs.

[Johnbt]

From the fwiw department. The 2020 Outback manual says 1,000 pounds without trailer brakes and 2700 with trailer brakes. That's for the 2.5L. The 2.4L is 1,000 and 3,500.

 

page 431 of https://cdn.subarunet.com/stis/doc/ownerManual/MSA5M2003A-2004A_STIS.pdf

 

2.5 L models Conditions Maximum total trailer weight Maximum tongue weight

When towing a trailer without brakes. 1,000 lbs (453 kg) 100 lbs (45 kg)

When towing a trailer with brakes. 2,700 lbs (1,224 kg) 270 lbs (122 kg)

 

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They redid the towing standards for everyone. Here's one article.

 

 www.trucktrend.com/how-to/towing/1502-sae-j2807-tow-tests-the-standard

[WRB]

2016 thread and the op replies in 2020!

Tom

[J._Bricker]

1 hour ago, WRB said:

2016 thread and the op replies in 2020!

Tom

Probably cashed in a Round Tuit Tom, good stuff ?