covering water with finesse presentations

[Jon P.]

hey folks, just curious as to what your thoughts are on finesse fishing with speed. I find that if you can succesfully cover an entire pond or a large part of a reservoir with any bait or presentation you greatly increase your chances of catching a fish. but if you have a finesse-y bite you might have troubles fishing fast. any thoughts or ides are greatly appreciated.

[Choporoz]

Charlie Brewer -- Get yourself a pack of slider heads and worms - maybe two packs of his worms....one straight...the other curly....you can fish them as slow as you want....or you can swim and hop them and cover water.

[roadwarrior]

Rage Tail Swimmer, Menace and Cut-R

 GYCB Single Tail Hula Grub

Siebert Swim Jig

 

 

[IndianaFinesse]

Slim swim-z on a light jig head.

[WRB]

1 hour ago, Jon P. said:

hey folks, just curious as to what your thoughts are on finesse fishing with speed. I find that if you can succesfully cover an entire pond or a large part of a reservoir with any bait or presentation you greatly increase your chances of catching a fish. but if you have a finesse-y bite you might have troubles fishing fast. any thoughts or ides are greatly appreciated.

Oxymoron!

[jr231]

Kalins grubs ! 3-4" . And I've been liking the keitech tungsten jighead but any will do. It's a bait I pull out when I'm worried about getting skunked lol. It's almost impossible to fish wrong. And every color Ive tried works ! But I'm partial to the salt n pepper . 

I just ordered some JJs magic in hopes to spice the presentation up even more (?

[William Rossi]

Drop shot with a 3/8 weight and a Keitech 3.3 swing impact fat swimbait. 

[RyneB]

3.5" bps tender tube with a 3/16 Oz tungsten and a 1/0 trokar tube hook. High speed reel and a loomis IMX rod. I can fish it fast and effective.

["hamma"]

16 hours ago, WRB said:

Oxymoron!

My instant thought as well.

 finesse is that, finesse

 Its possible to fish just about any lure as anything

Meaning. I can take a piece of plastic, a hook, and a weight and fish that plastic any way, weightless? as a topwater, a stick bait, a do-nothing, on top of weeds as a frog,.....add the weight? I can fish it texas rigged, jigging it, drag it, stitch it, doodle it, constant retrieved as like a crankbait, herky jerky as a jerkbait, even dropshotted, moving faster is like a carolina rigged plastic,... etc.

 Get the point?

 Once you start working that finesse bait differently, or faster, it takes on another lures characteristics, therefore negating it as a true finesse tactic.

 At least,   thats how I view this 

[Jon P.]

18 hours ago, WRB said:

Oxymoron!

 

 

1 hour ago, "hamma" said:

My instant thought as well.

 finesse is that, finesse

 Its possible to fish just about any lure as anything

Meaning. I can take a piece of plastic, a hook, and a weight and fish that plastic any way, weightless? as a topwater, a stick bait, a do-nothing, on top of weeds as a frog,.....add the weight? I can fish it texas rigged, jigging it, drag it, stitch it, doodle it, constant retrieved as like a crankbait, herky jerky as a jerkbait, even dropshotted, moving faster is like a carolina rigged plastic,... etc.

 Get the point?

 Once you start working that finesse bait differently, or faster, it takes on another lures characteristics, therefore negating it as a true finesse tactic.

 At least,   thats how I view this 

if you want to optimize your ability to fish most any finesse presentation the obvious solution is to fish slow, but I would prefer to optimize the time I spend and the water I cover, so I'm looking for a happy medium here that would allow me to both catch finesse-y fish and simultaneously cover water. obviously I cant throw a wacky rig through the water column like i would a spinner bait,  but I can wrap the hook in lead wire and use narrow braid so that I can fish faster.

[Catt]

Fishing faster doesn't necessarily mean mph!

Fishing fast is accomplished by not wasting time in unproductive water!

Which is accomplished by establishing patterns!

[WRB]

Finesse presentations for me take time due in part to the light tackle and small lures require time to work properly and catch bass. Wasting time fishing where the bass are not located applies to every type of lure presentation including fast retreives like buzzers and crankbaits.

The fast movements I' am making when finesse fishing is reeling in to make another cast or moving the boat to another area, otherwise it's slow down and concentrate on the presentation.

Drop shot; moving the soft plastic without moving the weight on the bottom..slowly.

Slip shot; moving the wright along the bottom feeling everything including a slight pressure bite.

Small dart haed jigs; swimming a 1/8 oz jig and finesse worm at the depth where the bass are located slowly to maintain the proper depth.

I fish other lures like jigs, worms and swimbaits with the same attention to details, they aren't considered finesse presentations to me.

Tom

 

[Catt]

Nowhere is it written that a "finesse" rig has to be spinning tackle & light line.

My most productive lure this year has been a Zoom's 4.5" Finesse Worm Texas Rigged weightless. 

I throw it on my Crucial worm rod with a Calcutta & 15# Big Game.

[scaleface]

You can cover a lot of water with tiny crankbaits , spinnerbaits , buzzbaits ...  

[craww]

Spro Phat fly in 1/8 oz...Technically a lure made for the float and fly presentation they catch a ton of bass on a straight retrieve with a little gentle Rod English. I've found the solid white model works everywhere. 7' Med pwr fast action spinning Rod w/15lb braid and you're set. A leader is a good idea around toothy critters. Chain pickerel like them.

[Hogsticker]

Google the term "power finesse fishing" . Read the 1st article from Bassmaster. This is what you're after I believe.  

[Jagg]

On 12/14/2016 at 1:55 PM, Choporoz said:

Charlie Brewer -- Get yourself a pack of slider heads and worms - maybe two packs of his worms....one straight...the other curly....you can fish them as slow as you want....or you can swim and hop them and cover water.

Bingo. Slider fishing with Slider worms and Slider grub. Also split shot rig and Kalin grubs on jigheads. Winter time I like a white tube crawling on bottom. When I think fishing finesse fast, I think of fishing a "fast" finesse technique. The bass wil show themselves. The bass will show themselves faster on finesse techniques than power techniques in general (in Winter) and the faster they show themselves, the faster you can put a pattern together.

[Hogsticker]

Finesse technique in a power mode. Rather than crawling a finesse tube / jig, snap it up 10 ft, let it fall and repeat, essentially covering more water. Same thing applies to a light shaky head and small worm. Rather shake it, pop it. I like to use a flick shake, let it fall and if no takers on the drop I give it a few big hops, let it sink, reel up and repeat covering water. You don't have to fish finesse baits slow, however when you power them you're looking for a reaction bite for the most part. Once you get a few strikes you can slow things down. 

["hamma"]

I think the op is missing my point. Lemmie try this tact.

 

   I know all to well what "finesse" fishing is, I also have used all the power presentations as well. If you plan on bass fishing, and being consistent at it up here. You have to know both to the nth degree. And I have not only studied and applied both power and finesse up here, I have successfully transitioned many of the techniques to fit New Englands tricky weather demands. Which was no easy task.

 

 Fast Finesse Fishing, "is" a oxymoron of terms,... Can you fish a finesse technique fast? of course you can, and you may even catch fish. But,..my point is (and this is where the oxymoron lies) The moment you start fishing a finesse bait, or finesse technique fast,..its no longer a true "finesse technique"  it has now become a power presentation, because your now quickly searching. The lure being used has nothing to do with it. It's how you fish it, that determines one or the other

   To me? A true finesse technique depicts a slower, more methodical seigning of a area targeting specific fish in a specific way, Coaxing or "finessing" the fish present, to hit. There is no searching about it. At all.  

 

 Am I the tell all, know all, gods gift to bass angling? Heck no, extremely far from it. But the minute you mention "fast" and "finesse" together to describe a technique? Then ask for my thoughts on it? I'm not shy,... Im sorry,.. but I disagree. the two don't equate accurately in my eyes

 

  What you seek is a tight wiggling crankbait, small jerkbait, or 1/8 oz spinnerbait, to search out where the fish are located, or locating, then fish a targeting lure, like a jig, or worm,..then a finesse "technique", "if" need be.

   

  Typically,... but far from always, cuz some will fish them exclusivley.. one doesn't reach for a finesse technique until they are getting skunked, then they will locate some bass on their finder, or by a hit or sniff they got earlier. Then slow down to sqweak out a few hits using a finesse technique in that area.

    

[Jon P.]

Once again, I'm not looking to retrieve a dropshot like a buzzbait, or a shaky head like I'm burning a spinnerbait, I'm just looking for tips tricks and alternatives for fishing a finesse presentation slightly faster.

with wacky worms, for example, I dip the bends of my hooks in tungsten fly-fishing paste and opt for a thinner worm so that it can reach the bottom faster. it's simple things like that, that don't make a monumental difference, but do shave seconds off of the time you spend fishing.

I don't believe that subtlety is necessarily fishing at a snail's pace. it can be as simple as using a smaller bait, less vibration, or lighter lines. 

I apologize if I phrased my initial question poorly.