Replacement hooks on silver buddy?

[IndianaFinesse]

I've finally gave up on the silver buddy hooks now, they've broken on fish twice.  I'm gonna swap them out for some short shank treble hooks, but I wanted to ask if it would mess up the balance of the bait?  And what size should I use? Should I put split rings on them, or cut the hook eyes and bend them over on the frame, like the way they are out of package?

[CTBassin860]

1 hour ago, IndianaFinesse said:

I've finally gave up on the silver buddy hooks now, they've broken on fish twice.  I'm gonna swap them out for some short shank treble hooks, but I wanted to ask if it would mess up the balance of the bait?  And what size should I use? Should I put split rings on them, or cut the hook eyes and bend them over on the frame, like the way they are out of package?

I replace all of my treble hooks with KVD triple grip short shank in either size 2 or 4 depending what's on them.I also change out my split rings with #3 Owner hyper rings.I do this on all my hard baits.Better safe than sorry.

[j bab]

I have used trebles on split rings on a blade bait with bad hooks before and it seemed to run fine! Give it a try

[OkobojiEagle]

a #4 short shank hanging from a fairly large split ring works for me...

 

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[MickD]

I'm not sure what the mystery is here.  Replace them with the most identical hook you can find, replace the split rings similarly, and you've done the best you can do.  It will work fine.

[J Francho]

11 hours ago, IndianaFinesse said:

cut the hook eyes and bend them over on the frame, like the way they are out of package?

My buddy Noel "No Good" does this.  I think he uses Gamakatsu short shanks.

I use split rings.

17 minutes ago, MickD said:

I'm not sure what the mystery is here.  Replace them with the most identical hook you can find, replace the split rings similarly, and you've done the best you can do.  It will work fine.

The mystery is that there are no split rings on the bait out of the package.

[Logan S]

I also cut the hook eye for my Buddy replacement hooks, no split rings.  #6 on the 1/2oz and #4 on the 3/4oz.  I've used several different hook models and don't really have a favorite, but I like to use lighter wire trebles becasue they seem to pop free of snags easier (before using the hound dog).  

[ww2farmer]

1 hour ago, J Francho said:

My buddy Noel "No Good" does this.  I think he uses Gamakatsu short shanks.

 

Noel showed me this trick, and I do it too. Except with Mustad KVD 2x short triple grips. Has never been and issue. I will loose the bait to a pike, or a snag on the bottom before I ever pull the hook eye open enough for it to be a problem.

I get too much fouling of the front treble around the nose of the bait using split rings.

[tholmes]

I use open shank double hooks (Eagle Claw #274,  Mustad #7826 or Gamakatsu #303). Put them on (no split ring) so the points face backwards for less hang-ups.

Tom

[Kyle46N]

Or buy from cincyfisher.com and get blade baits cheaper than anywhere else, already equipped with the KVD triple grips, and 3D eyes.  

[MickD]

22 hours ago, J Francho said:

My buddy Noel "No Good" does this.  I think he uses Gamakatsu short shanks.

I use split rings.

The mystery is that there are no split rings on the bait out of the package.

Didn't remember that.  I'll have to look at one!  Mustad 7790X hooks?  Don't need rings.

[J Francho]

I don't fish them enough to have come up with a preference.  I follow every thread, though.  Hopefully it inspires me!

[wnybassman]

23 hours ago, J Francho said:

My buddy Noel "No Good" does this.  I think he uses Gamakatsu short shanks.

 

Used to use triple grips, but settled on short shank round bend Eagle Claws in size #4 for 1/2 ounce baits.   Oh yeah, hook needs to be black nickle too, because if I put a bronze hook away one day, it is rusty the next.   I usually find a deal somewhere that puts hook cost at about 6¢ to 8¢ apiece. 

Certainly was not my idea of cutting the hook eye for installation.   I read somewhere on the net (so it must be true) that if you do this, then dig the hooks into a post and pull with very heavy line, the line will break WAY before that cut in the hook eye ever becomes a problem.   I've done it this way ever since.   Only ever had one hook come off the lure, and that was after the smallmouth was safely in the net, but doing a death roll gaining a lot of leverage because the hooks were tangled in the net

I use 17 lb flouro with a 7' MH casting rod with these, and have been known to boat flip 4 1/2+ pound fish into the boat in a non-tournament situation.

The picture is old.   I also use Duo-Snaps now instead of what is pictured here.

 

 

 

[A-Jay]

55 minutes ago, J Francho said:

I don't fish them enough to have come up with a preference.  I follow every thread, though.  Hopefully it inspires me!

When I finally decided to tie one on and fish it correctly, about half a trip into it I had one of those "Head Shaking Moments" where the following question is spoken aloud - (say it with me) "Why did I wait so long ?".

A-Jay

[J Francho]

I've fished them.  I haven't been out for bass in the cold lately, though.

[IndianaFinesse]

1 hour ago, wnybassman said:

Used to use triple grips, but settled on short shank round bend Eagle Claws in size #4 for 1/2 ounce baits.   Oh yeah, hook needs to be black nickle too, because if I put a bronze hook away one day, it is rusty the next.   I usually find a deal somewhere that puts hook cost at about 6¢ to 8¢ apiece. 

Certainly was not my idea of cutting the hook eye for installation.   I read somewhere on the net (so it must be true) that if you do this, then dig the hooks into a post and pull with very heavy line, the line will break WAY before that cut in the hook eye ever becomes a problem.   I've done it this way ever since.   Only ever had one hook come off the lure, and that was after the smallmouth was safely in the net, but doing a death roll gaining a lot of leverage because the hooks were tangled in the net

I use 17 lb flouro with a 7' MH casting rod with these, and have been known to boat flip 4 1/2+ pound fish into the boat in a non-tournament situation.

The picture is old.   I also use Duo-Snaps now instead of what is pictured here.

 

 

 

Does doing it that way just reduce hook tangling, or is there another positive?

[Team9nine]

Split rings (Owner Hyperwire) and Gammi Magic Eye short shanks (round bend). #6 on the half ouncers.

-T9

[Hot Rod Johnson]

I replace my treble hooks with Owner Stinger STX-58 Treble Hooks... This new ZO-WIRE helps create hooks that are smaller in diameter, yet stronger and harder than ever before. The single most important characteristic for hook penetration is the wire diameter... ZO-WIRE hooks are stronger per wire diameter than any hook on the market... The hardness of ZO-WIRE also makes the point almost indestructible... Available in a range of sizes from 6 thru 3/0... The Owner Stinger STX-58 Treble Hooks feature a standard length with straight slightly curved-in super needle points, and a corrosion-resistant vacuum tin finish... Try to match the length as close as possible to the stock hooks... I also use Owner - Pro Parts Oval Split Rings in size 3, just have to make sure that the treble hooks don't become tangled up... I upgrade the snap to a Spro - Twist Lock Snap in size 3... When I fish at night in the "Late Fall" below the dam at Lake Shelbyville Illinois I use two Golden Roaches ( ON THE SAME TREBLE HOOK ) on the treble hook that's on the belly of the lure... I fish vertical straight down along side of my boat just jigging the lure about 12' to 18" up and down making contact with the bottom... Depending what the water temperatures in the "Late Fall" of the year it's light out when the conditions are correct...This pattern starts some time in late November all the way to late February. I start fishing around 8:00 PM each night until I have had enough fishing or catching which comes first...

[BobP]

I find that If you try to cut stock Gamy eyes with wire snips they usually break because the temper is so hard. You can cut regular black Vmc hooks and pinch them back together.  That's what I do.

[papajoe222]

The problem with the open shank double hooks is that very few LSG stores carry them. 

I've just used a treble one size larger with a split ring, cut off the front hook and left the rear hook off.  If you fish it similar to me, allowing it to fall to the bottom and then ripping it up similar to stroking a jig (an awesome summer retrieve), cutting that front hook off will save a few baits from getting hung up and lost. Most guys only use them in cold water, but they'll produce throughout the year

[Deleted account]

I replace them with short shank brown hooks, no split rings with one of the points facing forward on either hook, then proceed to cut those two points off. Get hung up a lot less. Always have one tied on in colder months.