Surgeons knot

[Big Bait Fishing]

was looking at different knots on an animated knot guide last night and checked out the Surgeon's knot , looked very easy to tie and was touted as 100% knot strength .

i tied it a few times and i'll tell you , the simplest knot to tie !! it compacts very small and is very strong , needless to say this is gonna replace the Albright knot i've been using . and before anyone mentions the FG knot , that knot is not worth tying as it is a hit or miss and difficult to tie on the water . any one else using the Surgeon's knot ??

this is a picture of the knot tied using 30lb Sunline SX1 & Sunline Sniper in 14lb. ( it's very compact besides the fluff of the braid on the left of the knot )

 

[Darren.]

Good luck with it! Seriously!

I've tried a surgeon's...maybe need to try again, but for
me and my fishing, the Uni-to-Uni and mod'd Albright/Alberto
are the easiest and quickest to tie (former being the king).

I like to try other knots for sake of learning, but after years
of practice, the above are my go-to knots. Maybe that'll 
change one of these days...who knows.

[Big Bait Fishing]

try it , it's like i said the easiest knot to tie ans strong , i also usually stick to tried and true knots i've been using for a long time but i'm glad i tried it cause i like this knot better than more difficult to tie knot's and i have to use small connection knots cause of micro guides ..

 

[Darren.]

I've actually been impressed with Uni-To-Uni in my
Legend Tournament 6'3" micro guide spinning rod!

But then I'm using thin-diameter line like 10-15# PP
and a 6-10# fluoro leader. Makes for a nice, compact
knot.

I'll give the surgeons another try soon.

[Big Bait Fishing]

i usaully tie an Albright for my spinning line ( 10 lb. Sunline SX1 & 6 lb. Sunline Sniper ) and yes , i am running 3.5 mm Fuji micro guides on the rod !!  to be honest , i think the Surgeon's knot is just as strong if not more stronger than the uni -to -uni and Albright knot , give it a try

[Klebs01]

The surgeon knot has been my primary line to line knot for three years and I haven't had a single failure. Like you said, it's the easiest to tie on the water and it works. No need to go to a different knot unless there is a special application. 

[NHBull]

I feel the same about the double uni....no right or wrong answer......but it is not as strong as the Uni or Albright and to achieve the same strength, the number of wraps have to be increased making the knot bigger....

[JustJames]

I use this surgeon knot a lot when tie short fluro/coplymer leader to braid line if long leader or braid to backup line I will use uni to uni which would be easier to surgeon knot.

[Turkey sandwich]

For most of my line to leader connections on spinning and casting gear, I like the Uni to Uni. I tend to use braid and leaders that are fairly similar in diameter and it's worked very well for me.  With fly gear, I'm starting to gravitate to the double and triple surgeon's knots more.  They do tie quickly and you can make make good use of the tag ends for different presentations.  My only hang up carrying them over would be how well they tie with braid.  

[Team9nine]

Some interesting things with the Surgeon's knot. If tying mono to mono, using 3 or even 4 wraps (triple surgeon, quadruple surgeon) vs the two shown in 'Animated Knots' (double surgeon) will make for a stronger connection. When using a braid to mono connection, due to the inherent slickness of braid, using up to 6 wraps will get you the better/stronger connection with less chances of slippage. When tying to fluorocarbon, look for the best "in between" scenario for number of wraps. This is because knots in mono tend to get stronger with more complication (wraps, etc.), while knots with fluorocarbon tend to get weaker. Also keep in mind that the diameters of the line in play will have some control over how many wraps might be feasible. The thicker the lines attached, the harder it will be to use a higher number of wraps.

-T9

[Further North]

Surgeon knots work fine when line diameters are about the same or you don't want a long leader (I find dragging a few feet of leader through the loop to be a PITA).

...but I'm curious about the FG...why is it "hit or miss"?

I don't find it hard to tie on the water, but understand that some people do.

[Big Bait Fishing]

getting the knot to not unravel is just not worth it to me , sometimes it won't , sometimes it will . tying the Surgeon's Knot is simple and very easy to tie and the knot is very strong .

for me it's about consistency in a small , compact , & strong knot i can tie right every time and have confidence in , the trade off for a knot that is a tiny bit smaller and is hard to tie where it won't come undone is not worth it ... 

[tander]

Have used the Albright with just 100% success but will have to look in the Surgeons knot if it is quicker and easier.

[NHBull]

17 hours ago, Further North said:

Surgeon knots work fine when line diameters are about the same or you don't want a long leader (I find dragging a few feet of leader through the loop to be a PITA).

...but I'm curious about the FG...why is it "hit or miss"?

I don't find it hard to tie on the water, but understand that some people do.

he only reason the FG is hit or miss is if you don't finish it correctly.

If you Google "FG knot failures", it is always in the hitches or tag end.

I use it when I am using a long leader and the knot  makes it back to the spool

[Further North]

8 hours ago, Big Bait Fishing said:

getting the knot to not unravel is just not worth it to me , sometimes it won't , sometimes it will . tying the Surgeon's Knot is simple and very easy to tie and the knot is very strong .

for me it's about consistency in a small , compact , & strong knot i can tie right every time and have confidence in , the trade off for a knot that is a tiny bit smaller and is hard to tie where it won't come undone is not worth it ... 

Interesting - never had an FG unravel.  I've had some I tied poorly do some other stuff, but not that.

1 hour ago, NHBull said:

he only reason the FG is hit or miss is if you don't finish it correctly.

If you Google "FG knot failures", it is always in the hitches or tag end.

I use it when I am using a long leader and the knot  makes it back to the spool

Pretty much the same here.

[Karlsson]

Has anyone else experienced huge problems with fluorocarbon and surgeon’s knot?
I use it for my leaders (fly fishing) when creating a loop to connect to the loop of my sink tip.

When snagged, the leader (usually non-tapered, 15-20lb test) always breaks at the surgeon’s loop knot. And quite easy too, I’m certainly not pulling 15 or 20lb.

To attach my fly I mostly use the rapala knot, in my mind a weaker knot. When using mono it’s always the opposite.

 

I’ve started tying a perfection loop instead for my loop to loop.

[king fisher]

I have used a surgeons knot for 40 years making fly leaders with mono, and floro.  Works better for me and is quicker to tie than a blood knot.  In my opinion it is not a good knot for braid to leader.  Braid to leader, FG is the strongest ,and smallest, but takes time and can be difficult to learn.  I only use it in for large leader in Saltwater.  I used the Albirght for 30 years, then was introduced to the Alberto, and have never tied an Albright again.  I can tie an Alberto faster than a blood, knot and way quicker than an FG.  If tied correctly it is close to FG in strength, and size.  There are a couple common mistakes with an Alberto, and if you make them it will let you down.  

[MickD]

For my rods with small micro guides, the surgeon's knot just isn't the best knot.  I use both the FG and the Alberto with the Danek finish.  After tying the Alberto, finish it with two half hitches of the braid, pulled tightly, to prevent it from unravelling.  FG is more compact, but for the lines I use, the Alberto works fine and is easier to tie.  I'll do FG's in the pole barn setting rods up, but when on the water will do the Alberto with the Danek finish.  No doubt the double uni is easy and reliable, but it just gets too big with the leaders I use.

[Deleted account]

Not a fan.

[J Francho]

I don't know about 100% knot strength, but it works in a pinch and it's super fast to tie.  I used a triple surgeon's knot on 15# braid and 8# leader material for this fish:

 

 

[txchaser]

On 12/4/2016 at 8:21 PM, Team9nine said:

When using a braid to mono connection, due to the inherent slickness of braid, using up to 6 wraps will get you the better/stronger connection with less chances of slippage.

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