Teflon Coated Hooks

[ec1]

Have the BR members been using them? A-mart and some of the Gamakatsu hooks have this coating, and has a matte grey color. If you look to the Japanese market, quite a few companies are making hooks with this coating. (Nogales, Ryugi, JDM Duo stock treble hooks, and probably a few more that I'm not aware of)

So far my favorite applications for them are trebles and drop shot hooks. Their downfall is you can't bend them back as they'll break.

Let's hear some thoughts.

[CTGalloway21]

I love them.  I also prefer the O'shaugnessy bend which is what most of them have.  

[MassYak85]

What's the Teflon supposed to help with? Just curious. 

[pawpaw]

1 minute ago, MassYak85 said:

What's the Teflon supposed to help with? Just curious. 

Easier penetration

[Team9nine]

Been around for quite a while in the U.S. Never really caught on first time around and you stopped seeing them. Maybe the market wasn't ready for them back then. Doubt if I'd buy them myself.

-T9

[J Francho]

Meh...it's not gonna stop me from buying a bait, but I'm certainly not going to seek them out in other applications that I have trusted, tried, and true hooks for.  Not really interested in revisiting failures of the past.

[Choporoz]

Maybe just put some lube on them instead?

[J Francho]

aren't fish already pretty slimy, lol?

[Jeff H]

Didn't Bagley have teflon coated trebles on some of their baits many years ago?  I know I have some cranks with teflon coating on the hooks but they are black, not gray.

2 hours ago, pawpaw said:

Easier penetration

Hmmm...I don't know about that, but they probably won't rust.

[MassYak85]

43 minutes ago, Jeff H said:

Didn't Bagley have teflon coated trebles on some of their baits many years ago?  I know I have some cranks with teflon coating on the hooks but they are black, not gray.

Hmmm...I don't know about that, but they probably won't rust.

I mean, Teflon (PTFE) is less friction resistant than the metal of the bare hook, but the force of friction of the hook shank against the fish's flesh in the case of hooking a fish is basically negligible when you consider how many magnitudes greater a force you are putting into your hookset. As long as the hook point is sharp I can't see this realistically ever having a tangible effect on your hookup rates. The forces at play are just much too small to matter. 

[Raul]

Like if the teflon coating is never going to wear away ......

[pawpaw]

1 hour ago, Jeff H said:

 

Hmmm...I don't know about that, but they probably won't rust.

Neither do I, but if I remember right that was their pitch.

[Team9nine]

Use of Teflon goes way back in the fishing business. This, by no means, is meant to be exhaustive, but...

Back in 1976, Gladding applied it to their fly lines, and Gudebrod used it to coat their braided Dacron for ease of lines through guides to aid casting. The Easy-Set Hook Co. of Springfield, Mo. is credited as the first to market Teflon-coated hooks. They won a "Best of Show" award at the 1993 AFTMA show for the advance. They claimed a 40% increase in hook setting penetration as a result, as well as better corrosion protection. Eagle Claw followed in the mid to late 1990s with the coating applied to their Featherlite hooks, including worm hooks. And Bill Lewis Lure Co., which used Eagle Claw hooks on their line of Rat-L-Traps, came out with a Tour Premium version featuring Teflon-coated hooks around 1997.

-T9

[ec1]

Wow. Interesting to hear other peoples' perspectives. I never got to try the previous generation teflon coated hooks so I don't have anything to compare. What was the pricing for these hooks like back in the day? I'd like to believe that these new hooks are improved over previous ones.

Marketing for these hooks are now a little different and no one calls them a teflon coated hook. I guess if nothing's broken for you, why pay a premium to see whether you like a new hook?

[Scott F]

12 minutes ago, ec1 said:

Wow. Interesting to hear other peoples' perspectives. I never got to try the previous generation teflon coated hooks so I don't have anything to compare. What was the pricing for these hooks like back in the day? I'd like to believe that these new hooks are improved over previous ones.

Marketing for these hooks are now a little different and no one calls them a teflon coated hook. I guess if nothing's broken for you, why pay a premium to see whether you like a new hook?

Somebody probably found a warehouse full of unsold teflon hooks from the 90's and repackaged them to sell today

[NHBull]

Think I may try to spray some Pam on my hooks and give it a try!

[KDW96]

I had them in years past. Note i said had:) was not impressed.

[Memo]

Im guessing the teflon is there to help with less foul or missed strikes since all the bass has to do is touch the sharp point and the teflon will make a smaller hole too so less problems with bass getting lost. Remember guys teflon coated bullets go through armor, so it makes sense to put it on hooks.

[Scott F]

6 minutes ago, Memo said:

Im guessing the teflon is there to help with less foul or missed strikes since all the bass has to do is touch the sharp point and the teflon will make a smaller hole too so less problems with bass getting lost. Remember guys teflon coated bullets go through armor, so it makes sense to put it on hooks.

The teflon on bullets is there to protect the gun barrel from the bullets. It does not add anything to the armor piercing ability.

The size of the hole is made by the hook. For the hole to be smaller, the hook has to be thinner. Again, teflon won't allow the hole to be smaller than the size of the wire hook.

 

[ec1]

Perhaps what I forgot to mention is its thin wire diameter. Very thin but not easy to bend. I suppose I will have to continue sourcing these hooks in Japan. 

[Bluebasser86]

Not sure if the Gamakatsu A-a-ron Martens dropshot hooks are supposed to be teflon coated or not, but they are sticky sharp. 

[Alan Reed]

12 hours ago, NHBull said:

Think I may try to spray some Pam on my hooks and give it a try!

Teflon hooks, Pam and Fish it sounds like the start of a joke.

[Memo]

16 hours ago, Scott F said:

The teflon on bullets is there to protect the gun barrel from the bullets. It does not add anything to the armor piercing ability.

The size of the hole is made by the hook. For the hole to be smaller, the hook has to be thinner. Again, teflon won't allow the hole to be smaller than the size of the wire hook.

 

Cool, just read up and your right.

[Big Bait Fishing]

13 hours ago, ec1 said:

Perhaps what I forgot to mention is its thin wire diameter. Very thin but not easy to bend. I suppose I will have to continue sourcing these hooks in Japan. 

Owner Cutting Point's are all you need , i really think you are over thinking it ...

[Gundog]

Sounds like the companies are getting desperate to sell us the next best thing. I'm not biting..pun intended. I'll stay with my bare hooks and leave the teflon to my cooking pans.