Is it Possible.

[WRB]

On December 5, 2016 at 5:52 AM, RAMBLER said:

Wasn't there a bass, in California, that had been caught a couple of times, but not hooked correctly, that was heavier than the present record?  I might not be remembering it right but I thought the locals called her Daisy.  I think she was found floating, dead and would have still been the new record had she been caught within the rules.  I just reread WRB's post.  I guess "Daisy"  might have been "Dottie".

If you ever read what Doug Hannon wrote about big fish, he figured that the nominal temperature, growing period, food available and other factors I can't remember made  north central Florida the prime area for a new world's record to come from.  But, he probably never figured in hand feeding bass with rainbow trout in California.

There is some fact to support hatchery raised rainbow trout help giant bass to grow over 20 lbs, however lake Hodges in San Diego county produced 20.4 lb FLMB without trout for a prey source. The Hodges bass exceeds the Florida state bass record. I don't where hand feeding bass trout comes from could be a tongue in cheek comment. It's illegal to use any game fish as bait in California including bluegill.

Tom

[Mainebass1984]

1 hour ago, J Francho said:

I'm against anything that puts limits on fishing.  There's no way to eradicate bass from non endemic locales, and there's no proof that even doing so would help, so it is moot.  No one can win that debate.  I'm just not sure how you can call a fish invasive if it was included in the stocking plan, intentionally introduced, and managed.  It has a negative connotation that I will always question why the word is used.  Are you a bass fisherman or a trout lover?  Here in NY, trout get more support from local enviro agencies, even though brown, rainbow/steelhead, coho, and kings are all introduced.  Go figure.  No one refers to those species as invasive.

 

1 hour ago, contium said:

Do you realize that the vast majority of lakes with bass in CA are man-made reservoirs? And that state fisheries biologist are the ones that stocked warm water fish into the reservoirs because cold water fish cannot survive? What fish should they have put in the reservoirs? About the only legitimate arguments regarding non-native bass is with the Delta and Clear Lake. 

 

An invasive fish/plant/mammal  species is a species that is not native. Yes for sure the term invasive is does have a lot of negativity surrounding. There aren't any native trout in New York or New England for that matter. "Brook Trout" and "Lake Trout" are both Char. All of the trout species you mentioned are all invasive. When electroshocking here in VT with federal fisheries biologist anything that isn't native falls under the invasive category, including rainbow and brown trout. If it isn't native it is invasive. It doesn't matter if that fish was introduced intentionally or not.

All I fish for is bass.

[Sam]

Yes. It is possible.

One day the record will be broken.

Probably by a nuclear power plant lake.

[J Francho]

1 hour ago, Mainebass1984 said:

 

 

An invasive fish/plant/mammal  species is a species that is not native. Yes for sure the term invasive is does have a lot of negativity surrounding. There aren't any native trout in New York or New England for that matter. "Brook Trout" and "Lake Trout" are both Char. All of the trout species you mentioned are all invasive. When electroshocking here in VT with federal fisheries biologist anything that isn't native falls under the invasive category, including rainbow and brown trout. If it isn't native it is invasive. It doesn't matter if that fish was introduced intentionally or not.

All I fish for is bass.

You're making up definitions.  Try the US Dept. Agriculture:

https://www.invasivespeciesinfo.gov/whatis.shtml

Salmon and trout are intentionally raised, and stocked for the purposes of controlling an invasive species, alewife.  Striped bass were under consideration, but Salmonoids won that battle.  They are a managed, introduced, non endemic species put there to improve the ecosystem, and drive revenue through sport fishing.

Here is a list of "invasive' aquatic species.

https://www.invasivespeciesinfo.gov/aquatics/main.shtml

Please note there is no listing for any Centrarchids or Salmonoids.

When you label something as "invasive," it falls under certain legal guidelines.  There are other labels, such as "gamefish."  Recently bass have been declassified as gamefish in NY in order for fish mongers to be able to sell farm raised bass for food.

Last tidbit - You are forgetting whitefish and Atlantic salmon, both Salmonoids under current and accepted scientific nomenclature, as are all the char species.  Technically, browns, rainbows, cuttthroats, are considered more closely related to the salmon, whereas the brook and lake trout are "trout."  At least that's how I learned in college.  Perhaps that's changed in 20  years or so.

[Mainebass1984]

28 minutes ago, J Francho said:

You're making up definitions.  Try the US Dept. Agriculture:

https://www.invasivespeciesinfo.gov/whatis.shtml

Salmon and trout are intentionally raised, and stocked for the purposes of controlling an invasive species, alewife.  Striped bass were under consideration, but Salmonoids won that battle.  They are a managed, introduced, non endemic species put there to improve the ecosystem, and drive revenue through sport fishing.

Here is a list of "invasive' aquatic species.

https://www.invasivespeciesinfo.gov/aquatics/main.shtml

Please note there is no listing for any Centrarchids or Salmonoids.

When you label something as "invasive," it falls under certain legal guidelines.  There are other labels, such as "gamefish."  Recently bass have been declassified as gamefish in NY in order for fish mongers to be able to sell farm raised bass for food.

Last tidbit - You are forgetting whitefish and Atlantic salmon, both Salmonoids under current and accepted scientific nomenclature, as are all the char species.  Technically, browns, rainbows, cuttthroats, are considered more closely related to the salmon, whereas the brook and lake trout are "trout."  At least that's how I learned in college.  Perhaps that's changed in 20  years or so.

I am not making up any definitions. I posted several definitions earlier from credible sources. Scroll back and look.  It seems you sir no matter what I post or say will find a way to disagree and attempt to prove me wrong. Plain and simple.

I'm not sure what you learned in college 20 years ago. I can tell you that I have a bachelors degree in fisheries biology and have worked all over the country Alaska, Maine, Vermont, Illinois, Missouri and Florida. I currently work with fisheries biologists all across this country. I myself am a fisheries biologists. It is sad to see misinformation being presented and overly opinionated anglers feeling they know more then  fisheries biologist who have been entrusted with managing the resource.

I am not making up definitions or stating anything that isn't indeed factual. 

Salmonoid refers to all trout and salmon species.  Brook trout and lake trout as I said before are not actually trout they belong to Salvelinus genus which are commonly referred to as Charr. Trout and salmon found in the Atlantic  belong to the Salmo genus, brown trout and Atlantic salmon amongst others. Trout and salmon occurring in the pacific such as rainbows, cutthroats, pacific salmon, etc belong to the genus Oncorhynchus.

 

[contium]

The definition by CADFW, the only definition I care about since I'm in CA, is:

" Invasive species are organisms (plants, animals, or microbes) that are not native to an environment, and once introduced, they establish, quickly reproduce and spread, and cause harm to the environment, economy, or human health"

"Causing harm" is a critical distinction between invasive and non-native.

https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Conservation/Invasives/About

Here is a list of what CADFW considers invasive:

https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Conservation/Invasives/Species

Of course what is considered invasive can change. 

[jr231]

You guys need a drink 

[Gilgamesh]

6 hours ago, j bab said:

Yea I lost a 25+ once too

You don't currently hold the world record haha

[Big Bait Fishing]

 

17 hours ago, Mainebass1984 said:

 

 

An invasive fish/plant/mammal  species is a species that is not native. Yes for sure the term invasive is does have a lot of negativity surrounding. There aren't any native trout in New York or New England for that matter. "Brook Trout" and "Lake Trout" are both Char. All of the trout species you mentioned are all invasive. When electroshocking here in VT with federal fisheries biologist anything that isn't native falls under the invasive category, including rainbow and brown trout. If it isn't native it is invasive. It doesn't matter if that fish was introduced intentionally or not.

All I fish for is bass.

about your last sentence - i would have never known that..........

[Turtle135]

Does anyone know if there were any other 19 to 20 pound bass pulled from Lake Dixon? The genetics were there assuming Dottie had spawned a time or two. The forage must have been there since Dottie grew to such a large size.

[BASS302]

On 12/1/2016 at 0:29 PM, Gillroid 9000 said:

The real question is Is It Possible to Beat George Perrys Record?

Back to the original question, there's an article in the Fall 2016 Bass Angler Magazine regarding the possibility of "manufacturing" a world record Bass using eggs treated to be "triploid".  They give as an example that the current world record rainbow trout (48 lbs) was triploid.  They also state the last wild freshwater rainbow trout was 37 lbs.  They also speculate that bass could be genetically modified to grow to record size.  I hope neither of these possibilities happen.

[BassObsessed]

31 minutes ago, Turtle135 said:

Does anyone know if there were any other 19 to 20 pound bass pulled from Lake Dixon? The genetics were there assuming Dottie had spawned a time or two. The forage must have been there since Dottie grew to such a large size.

Not sure but I was there on vaca fishing in October trying to find some of here relatives. All I caught was a dink. There were bigger bass caught that day and the ranger I talked to mentioned a 14lber caught there in the spring that had a similar dot. Who knows . It's hard to believe when you see how small that lake is that the famous monster came from there.

[WRB]

2 hours ago, Turtle135 said:

Does anyone know if there were any other 19 to 20 pound bass pulled from Lake Dixon? The genetics were there assuming Dottie had spawned a time or two. The forage must have been there since Dottie grew to such a large size.

Only Dottie, she was caught 4 times between the weight of 19 to 21 lbs, the 5 th time was 25.1 lbs., the poster child for C & R.

Tom

[Catt]

7 hours ago, WRB said:

Only Dottie, she was caught 4 times between the weight of 19 to 21 lbs, the 5 th time was 25.1 lbs., the poster child for C & R.

Tom

Poster child for how smart big bass are

[Bluebasser86]

Well this has pretty much run it's course.

LOCKDOWN!!