New Morel Jighead and Sexy shad color!

[jr231]

Yea but @Molay1292 do you know of a company that sells these same quality jig heads cheaper to the public ? 

[Molay1292]

1 minute ago, Yeajray231 said:

Yea but @Molay1292 do you know of a company that sells these same quality jig heads cheaper to the public ? 

Yes, I do

[jr231]

1 minute ago, Molay1292 said:

Yes, I do

Oh. Well. Id say you're doin pretty good then bud . I don't know what to say to that.. thats like two car dealerships that both sells Chevy's with the same warranty . But one is cheaper.. no brainer. 

Are they really that much cheaper though ? 

[Molay1292]

Just now, Yeajray231 said:

Oh. Well. Id say you're doin pretty good then bud . I don't know what to say to that.. thats like two car dealerships that both sells Chevy's with the same warranty . But one is cheaper.. no brainer. 

Are they really that much cheaper though ? 

Not if you are buying in small numbers

[Ski213]

That makes a dang good looking swim jig @Siebert Outdoors. Can it be ordered with a white jig head? 

[Siebert Outdoors]

47 minutes ago, Ski213 said:

That makes a dang good looking swim jig @Siebert Outdoors. Can it be ordered with a white jig head? 

You definitely can!

[smalljaw67]

16 hours ago, Molay1292 said:

No need to apologize as your post is correct.     I can provide you a wholesale distributor for Owner hooks if you are interested, you can buy in lots of 570 hooks and stay just below .30 each for a 1/0.  I agree the product that Mike is building is far superior to the Z-Man shroom heads, but I still feel that they are a little overpriced.       My experience is that if you have to go over 100 percent on margin to capture your cost and make a little profit, you have to find a better process.

My calculations are like this   .28 cents a hook + .03 cents for the wire keeper + .02 cents of lead + .02 cents of paint.     This is about .35 cents for a 1/16th oz jig, and maybe just a tad more as they get heavier.      Of course this is just material.

Again I appreciate your post as it was factual and not personal.   Just as mine is intended.

I'm not trying to make you mad but there are things you aren't including in your assessment. So let us say you are spot on in your 35 cents total cost to make the jig, now you have to figure in electricity by breaking down kilowatt hour, then packaging, unless you get your packaging for free. Then you have advertising, storage, handling, and not to mention the time it takes and the cost of maintaining equipment. all of that stuff adds up and when you aren't a giant corp with deep pockets, you don't get the tax incentives so you don't get to write off as much which leads to high product cost. The Morel jig may be in the 35 cent range for Seibert Outdoors to make it but my own breakdown is around 42 cents but remember, I'm paying 30 cents per hook plus I buy high quality lead from Rotometals, I don't use scrap and I also custom make my own alloy using a percentage of hard lead so my lead cost are higher than what you quoted. Now that is me making for me and a few friends, but if I was back in business I'd be charging at least a dollar per head, and the reason why is there isn't anything that compares to it, there are others that use a heavy wire Mustad but this jig has a thin wire Owner that is sharper and it is just as strong and you get a full penetration hook set with 6lb line and you won't bend it out using 12lb line, you can't say that with any other product. Most people who have never made or sold tackle for a business don't understand how far you have to break down costs in order to make a little money, when it comes down to it I'll bet Seibert Outdoors has to sell a boat load of products just to make enough to pay his bills let alone any extra. I gave up my business when I got sick because in order to compete and make anything I had to keep my costs low and pay myself little which also required me to keep my day job of 20 years, I made less making and selling tackle than I would have working for minimum wage because of anglers that have no problem paying $20 for a mass produced Megabass lure while they questioned every nickel I charged for a bait made to their specs, in a way you post has made me happy I stopped selling tackle. I don't miss anglers asking me why my spinnerbaits were 5 bucks, baits made in any color they wanted with higher quality blades, hooks, and wire than the Booyah bait they purchased for the same price with no questions asked. Thank you for reminding me why I never got back into doing selling custom made tackle, and make no mistake, anglers that wanted better products with attention paid to detail were more than happy with what they got for their money but there was always the few that tried to break down costs and want to claim they can make it cheaper, to you I say well done, have at it and good luck.

[J Francho]

15 hours ago, Molay1292 said:

I will return your question, "why does it matter to you?

Because Mike has long supported Bass Resource.  He provides great products at a fair price; your only contribution here is to complain about the price of something you will never buy.

[Tim Kelly]

Wow. I just looked up the price, 90c each. Are you serious? That's not remotely expensive considering the quality of the hook. These aren't cheapo crappie jigs from Walmart. The one I don't understand, yet everyone happily pays it, are the price of mass produced soft plastics like Keitech. Those things are way more expensive than similar looking equivalents, much like senkos are much dearer than the copies. Like with all things though, you charge what you can get for an item. If people recognise that they are better, then they will pay a premium and everyone's happy - not that that's the case with these jig heads, they're just not expensive!

[YoTone]

imagine that, paying a little bit more for the knowledge of knowing that the person who created it has a good reputation from top to bottom. 

[KDW96]

I cant wait to see what happens the next time Mike puts out somethin new.  Keep up the good work&service Mike. But do you always gotta stir up a bees nest Just kiddingMike

[fishwizzard]

Bickering aside, did I miss info about the hook size?  I am coming around to preferring smaller hooks on my nedheads but really dislike the keep on the Gopher jigs.  

[GetBent]

Bunnie by pic alone it looks similar to a hook I currently use, compared to others I use it should be fine. I wouldn't boat flip a 10lbs bass with them but who would? Most people Ned rig fishing use about 10-12lbs test at most. 

 

Side note- way to urinate all over someone's thread- take your arguments to PM please or just stop before y'all start trying to compares whose worm is bigger 

[Siebert Outdoors]

49 minutes ago, Bunnielab said:

Bickering aside, did I miss info about the hook size?  I am coming around to preferring smaller hooks on my nedheads but really dislike the keep on the Gopher jigs.  

Hey Bunnielab,

The first run is a size 1.  These have sold so well that I'm going to also release a 1/0 and add to the sizes availability.  I have more hooks on the way so there will be growth to this item between now and the end of the year.

[fishwizzard]

God too hear,  #1 is about as big as I like, but I am really becoming convinced the smaller #2-4 hooks get me more hits and more hookups.  

[ChrisD46]

Thanks Mike for the new Morel jig head - I will definitely be a customer ! ... You have the right head shape , line tie , keeper and especially the hook to make this jig head a success for us Ned Rig folks . *The only suggestion I will offer is please consider to offer the head color in red as well . One of the Japanese FLW / BASS Elite Pros studied how a red color Ned rig jig head was especially effective during the post spawn for bass  and I found this to often be the case . I believe having black , green pumpkin  and red color morel jig heads would then cover most all the bases for Ned Rig applications .

[Bluebasser86]

For anyone interested in review of these heads (while they aren't Mike's specifically, they are my own from the same mold), they're even better than I'd hoped. I fished almost exclusively with these heads from the new Do-It mold yesterday with @Drew03cmc and their performance was off the charts. I fished a 1/16oz with a Hula StickZ and caught dozens of fish. Once that bait is secured over the keeper (which does take some pushing, but nowhere near the hassle of glue), it's staying on there, period. Not only did it withstand a large quantity of smallmouth and largemouth, but also dealt with an never ending barrage of bluegill and sunfish pulling on the tails of the bait and it never even thought about letting the bait slide down the hook. The head being flatter also allowed for a slower fall and it still skipped under the docks with ease. I'm using a different hook with mine, and it hooked fish well as expected, so the Owner hooks that Mike is using should be even better. They are a hassle to pour, I think it's easy to justify the asking price per head ( setting that tiny wire keeper in the mold is going to make my hair fall out), especially with a premium hook. 

I'll be doing some of the larger ones with larger hooks to fish the Diesel MinnowZ and GrubZ also. You guys that are gluing, throw it away and order some of these heads instead!

[Drew03cmc]

4 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

For anyone interested in review of these heads (while they aren't Mike's specifically, they are my own from the same mold), they're even better than I'd hoped. I fished almost exclusively with these heads from the new Do-It mold yesterday with @Drew03cmc and their performance was off the charts. I fished a 1/16oz with a Hula StickZ and caught dozens of fish. Once that bait is secured over the keeper (which does take some pushing, but nowhere near the hassle of glue), it's staying on there, period. Not only did it withstand a large quantity of smallmouth and largemouth, but also dealt with an never ending barrage of bluegill and sunfish pulling on the tails of the bait and it never even thought about letting the bait slide down the hook. The head being flatter also allowed for a slower fall and it still skipped under the docks with ease. I'm using a different hook with mine, and it hooked fish well as expected, so the Owner hooks that Mike is using should be even better. They are a hassle to pour, I think it's easy to justify the asking price per head ( setting that tiny wire keeper in the mold is going to make my hair fall out), especially with a premium hook. 

I'll be doing some of the larger ones with larger hooks to fish the Diesel MinnowZ and GrubZ also. You guys that are gluing, throw it away and order some of these heads instead!

These heads will be replacing all of my older glue on heads for the Ned rig. The baits stayed put and never slid on us at all. We didn't count, but if our total was under 65, I'd be shocked, mainly on the Ned with these heads. Grab some, you won't be sorry. 

[ChrisD46]

Always a pleasure to hear "The Midwest Finesse Clan" chime in on a jig head or soft plastic !!

[William Rossi]

The man is in business. There are other factors besides cost of goods. Electricity in the shop, labor time to make them, excise tax, cost of molds, bags and bagging time, etc. I t all ads up. 

[whitwolf]

I won't get In on the side distraction but will add this. If Mike Is selling a product you  can bet your last dollar It's of a quality nature, he will share freely any fishing Information with regards to ANY product he sells, and you'll ALWAYS get the best customer service around. 

I have bought many jigs and shakey heads from Siebert Outdoors and my reaction to his products Is this; they are the only jigs and shakey heads I carry and use. 

[kickerfish1]

I have spent hundreds of dollars on products Mike sells. Never once have I felt like the price was out of line or unfair. He offers regular sales and I am sure he will have a Black Friday sale so that will sweaten the pot a bit more.

His website is one of the few that truly allows you customize your jig or jig head to exactly what you want without having to describe it in a long drawn out email or a phone call.

Any time I have had questions Mike has always been quick on the trigger for an email reply or a phone call. He has always treated me right even doing custom colors for me with no reservation. As long as Mike is making tackle I will be a buyer.

[fishwizzard]

On 11/5/2016 at 3:45 AM, Bluebasser86 said:

 I fished a 1/16oz with a Hula StickZ and caught dozens of fish.

Any chance of a picture of where the hook lands on the plastic?  A Hula on a VMC halfmoon was the first lure that I really started catching on but the week hooks eventually broke my heart too often and I moved to the Gopher heads and smaller lures and then to the wide world of bass tackle addiction, but I would like to give the uncut Hula some time this winter.  

 

[roadwarrior]

I consider Mike's tackle to be a great "value".  I fish Seibert Outdoors jigs exclusively and highly recommend both his Cosmic Spinnerbaits and Foggy bladed jigs.

http://www.siebertoutdoors.com/Extreme-Football-Jig-1002.htm

http://www.siebertoutdoors.com/Spinnerbaits_c9.htm

http://www.siebertoutdoors.com/Fogy_c20.htm

 

[Bluebasser86]

2 hours ago, Bunnielab said:

Any chance of a picture of where the hook lands on the plastic?  A Hula on a VMC halfmoon was the first lure that I really started catching on but the week hooks eventually broke my heart too often and I moved to the Gopher heads and smaller lures and then to the wide world of bass tackle addiction, but I would like to give the uncut Hula some time this winter.