Cashion Rods

[Pmoua]

Hi, 

Just wanted to start a forum about cashion rods. I have read some reviews about these rods but would like to hear more about them from veteran anglers. Thinking about picking one up but need to know more on how good they perform and the durability you recieve from heavy use. Thanks you. 

[WRB]

My fishing partner uses Cashion MH crank bait rods and really likes them. I have tried them out and they are light weight well made rods. The only thing I don't like about Cashion rods is they don't have a fore grip and that is a deal breaker for me the way I hold bait casting rods.

Tom

[S Hovanec]

From a fit and finish standpoint, they are one of the worst I've ever seen.  Some say I'm bashing them when I say that.  I say I'm just offering my opinion on what I've seen come across my bench.

[Big Bait Fishing]

30 minutes ago, S Hovanec said:

From a fit and finish standpoint, they are one of the worst I've ever seen.  Some say I'm bashing them when I say that.  I say I'm just offering my opinion on what I've seen come across my bench.

even worse then NRX's ???

[Pmoua]

37 minutes ago, S Hovanec said:

From a fit and finish standpoint, they are one of the worst I've ever seen.  Some say I'm bashing them when I say that.  I say I'm just offering my opinion on what I've seen come across my bench.

Yeah i've seen a few reviews saying it's finishing is horrible but could be one out of a few. 

[WRB]

Important factors for rod construction are the guides are aligned perfectly, on the correct spline and top quality guides, blank and handle components. Cosmetic issues like how tight the guide wraps are together or a overlapped are annoying but don't affect performance, location and alignment does. Any rod that is hand made is dependant on skill of the rod maker and production rods will vary, custom rods you get what you pay for.

As for durability the lighter weight components will be more susceptible to damage depending on how the rod is cared for and used by the angler. If you step on the rods or toss them down, they will get damaged.

Next trip with Fred I will take a close look at cosmetics, he has 4 Cashion rods. Fred has about 30 pre Shimano G. Loomis casting and spinning rods and is a skilled knowledgeable bass angler.

3 replies, 1 negative for Cashion, 1 negative for Loomis NRX and 1 positive for Cashion.

[S Hovanec]

1 hour ago, WRB said:

 

3 replies, 1 negative for Cashion, 1 negative for Loomis NRX and 1 positive for Cashion.

2 negative for Loomis, but thst wasnt the question.  Every NRX I've worked on had poor wraps,  but didn't have the excess finish on all of the guides like a Cashion.  Every wrap was a football.

Pretty poor winding check fit.  The other one looked the same.

[rippin-lips]

I must have been lucky as my Cashion looked nothing like that one. It was a 6'9 mh and my first 'higher priced' rod that I ever purchased. I used it all the time and it never failed me. My experience was a positive one. I even spoke with the owner Matt on the phone and had my rod assembled with a different reel seat than what it normally has on it. I thought that was pretty nice of them to do at no charge. 

[S Hovanec]

Could be the fact yours was customized slightly, more care was taken.   Every one I've seen/worked on has looked like this one.

[jamey1e]

I've had two.  Ordered one but had to send it back to tackle warehouse due to the reel seat not being epoxied in and was completely loose.  The other rod was nice with zero issues and I really liked it.  I wanted to switch to all Cashion but after going to two different dealers and finding several rods at each place with defects I scratched them off the list.   It seemed like every other rod I picked up either had a guide misaligned (and I don't mean a slight misalignment either) or some other type of issue.  It's a shame too because I really like the grip but they've got some serious quality control issues that need to be addressed.

[Big Bait Fishing]

8 hours ago, S Hovanec said:

2 negative for Loomis, but thst wasnt the question.  Every NRX I've worked on had poor wraps,  but didn't have the excess finish on all of the guides like a Cashion.  Every wrap was a football.

Pretty poor winding check fit.  The other one looked the same.

here's a pic off TW of there hook kepper with not enough epoxy , threads showing through

click on the pic to really see it ....

i was gonna post another pic of epoxy seeping out of the blank through portion of the reel seat , but i think every one get's the point that who ever builds them , they are not very good at it , but hey , the blanks might be good ...

[singlecoil]

I have a cranking rod from Cashion.  The action, sensitivity, weight and feel are exactly what I want in a rod for crankbaits. I've owned the rod for over 2 years with absolutely no problems.  Is the rod perfectly wrapped and the craftsmanship outstanding? No it's not but none of the rods I own are perfect.  If I look hard enough I can find fault with all my rods.  Does the Cashion perform to my expectations?  Yes plus some.  So if the thread wraps on my NRX are not perfect does that make it a bad rod? Absolutely not and the same goes for my Cashion.

[S Hovanec]

34 minutes ago, singlecoil said:

So if the thread wraps on my NRX are not perfect does that make it a bad rod? Absolutely not 

It most certainly does given the price point of them.  You wouldn't accept a blemish in the paint on a new BMW, why accept less than perfection from a supposed high end rod?

[singlecoil]

I agree perfection is nice but rarely happens even with your new BMW.  I have a friend who has a Z8 and we can have a long thread on that some other day. The blank on a NRX is one of the best made. If I have to replace a guide once in a while I will but I will still have one of the best rods made. As far as the Cashion goes, it's about half the price of a NRX so I don't expect the craftsmanship to be the same level but I do expect a rod to do the job it was intended for and this rod does it above my expectations. 

[Big Bait Fishing]

15 minutes ago, singlecoil said:

I agree perfection is nice but rarely happens even with your new BMW.  I have a friend who has a Z8 and we can have a long thread on that some other day. The blank on a NRX is one of the best made. If I have to replace a guide once in a while I will but I will still have one of the best rods made. As far as the Cashion goes, it's about half the price of a NRX so I don't expect the craftsmanship to be the same level but I do expect a rod to do the job it was intended for and this rod does it above my expectations. 

any rod you buy should not have the issues the Cashion rods have , even at around $150 , i expect my rods to be blemish free , others don't care . i don't buy factory rods and have them built by a custom rod builder so i am pretty paticular about what i'm getting for my money , if you don't have those kind of expectations and like the looks/performance of the rod , great for you .

put another way , if i custom rodbuilder wrapped that Cashion rod like that , he would not get any buisness and would either fold up and have to  get another career/hobby/source of income ...

and about perfection - take a look at S.HOVANEC's rod builds , that is how rods are to be wrapped .......

 

[jamey1e]

Speaking of epoxy.  Forgot to mention that one of the rods, I could literally peel the epoxy off the blank with my fingernail with minimum effort.  Makes me wonder if they even have any sort of quality control,  I mean how did those rods even get out the door. 

[Big Bait Fishing]

55 minutes ago, jamey1e said:

Speaking of epoxy.  Forgot to mention that one of the rods, I could literally peel the epoxy off the blank with my fingernail with minimum effort.  Makes me wonder if they even have any sort of quality control,  I mean how did those rods even get out the door. 

makes you wonder ! , if the were wrapped good they would probably sell more , sounds to be a decent rod at a decent price ...

[WRB]

OK I looked at 4 Cashion casting rods that range from 6'9" to 7'3" today very closely and could not detect any flaws. Asking Fred if he had any issues with his Cashion rods and he only highly praised them and plans to buy more.

The have micro guides, 12 each on the 6'9" and 7' models that were in perfect alignment, the blanks were straight and very light in weight. I didn't count the number of guides on the 7'3" MH fast model. The handle wrapping were finished, the blanks felt very solid.

I don't believe the bashing of this rod maker is justified based on what I have seem.If you have issues with a rod maker contact them directly the feed back is always appreciated by quality companies.

Tom

[jamey1e]

It's not bashing if it's true.  For better or worse you speak your opinion based on what you've seen and I'll do the same.  I'm glad you found 4 that were perfect.  I didn't have such luck.  

[Big Bait Fishing]

2 hours ago, WRB said:

OK I looked at 4 Cashion casting rods that range from 6'9" to 7'3" today very closely and could not detect any flaws. Asking Fred if he had any issues with his Cashion rods and he only highly praised them and plans to buy more.

The have micro guides, 12 each on the 6'9" and 7' models that were in perfect alignment, the blanks were straight and very light in weight. I didn't count the number of guides on the 7'3" MH fast model. The handle wrapping were finished, the blanks felt very solid.

I don't believe the bashing of this rod maker is justified based on what I have seem.If you have issues with a rod maker contact them directly the feed back is always appreciated by quality companies.

Tom

take a look at the rods on TW , the epoxy wraps are footballs like Scott said , i posted a picture of the hook keeper lacking enough epoxy to cover the threads , another picture shows epoxy peeking out of the blank through portion of the reel seat . come on Tom , i know your friend has some of those rods and maybe you know the owner but those rods have no business being offered to the public like that , if it was my company , i'd be embarrassed ...

and to the point , i'm not bashing , i'm just giving an honest opinion about someone's product that lacks in quality control .....

[S Hovanec]

Well, practice makes perfect.  Maybe they built enough to get good at it?  All I can say for sure is the only Cashions that will ever be in my rod rack are ones in for repair.  Same can be said for NRX!

[WRB]

I gave you an honest evaluation based on 4 rods and have no ties any rod builder. 

When you look at micro guides near the rod tip where the blank is very small diameter and the guides are very small, the expoxy over the thread wrap may appear to heavy.  The photo referenced in this thread I agree definatley looks likes a football, so I looked closely at each guide wrap and none had excessive epoxy.

I was surprised that the rods had 12 guides, my custom ALX rods have 11 for 6'10", so Cashion isn't scrimping on number of guides.

So now bashing Loomis NRX rods, one of the top off the shelf rods availble today, is in play. I agree NRX are over priced however they are top quality rods.

Tom

 

[Big Bait Fishing]

26 minutes ago, WRB said:

I gave you an honest evaluation based on 4 rods and have no ties any rod builder. 

When you look at micro guides near the rod tip where the blank is very small diameter and the guides are very small, the expoxy over the thread wrap may appear to heavy.  The photo referenced in this thread I agree definatley looks likes a football, so I looked closely at each guide wrap and none had excessive epoxy.

I was surprised that the rods had 12 guides, my custom ALX rods have 11 for 6'10", so Cashion isn't scrimping on number of guides.

So now bashing Loomis NRX rods, one of the top off the shelf rods availble today, is in play. I agree NRX are over priced however they are top quality rods.

Tom

 

about NRX's ,i agree that the blanks are great but if i'm paying 500-600 a rod , i don;t want my rod looking like a child wrapped it !! the pictures i posted are 3 seperate rods and every one had thread wraps that looked horrendous . if you call that bashing , i don't know what to tell you , the proof is in the pudding...

Tom, if you had someone build you a custom rod and it looked like that , would you accept it ????

[WRB]

23 minutes ago, Big Bait Fishing said:

about NRX's ,i agree that the blanks are great but if i'm paying 500-600 a rod , i don;t want my rod looking like a child wrapped it !! the pictures i posted are 3 seperate rods and every one had thread wraps that looked horrendous . if you call that bashing , i don't know what to tell you , the proof is in the pudding...

Tom, if you had someone build you a custom rod and it looked like that , would you accept it ????

No, few people would pay top dollar for poor workmanship. 

What happens to returned rods? Some companies label defective products as blemished and sell them at a big discount, some retail outlets specialize in selling discounted products. The rods in question may be blemished and on sale racks or sold at a discount. 

I will go out on a limb and say you or Havonic don't own these rods and may not know if they were sold at a discount. Is it fair to display photos of blemished products without knowing the origin or history of the defect?

Tom

[Big Bait Fishing]

15 minutes ago, WRB said:

No, few people would pay top dollar for poor workmanship. 

What happens to returned rods? Some companies label defective products as blemished and sell them at a big discount, some retail outlets specialize in selling discounted products. The rods in question may be blemished and on sale racks or sold at a discount. 

I will go out on a limb and say you or Havonic don't own these rods and may not know if they were sold at a discount. Is it fair to display photos of blemished products without knowing the origin or history of the defect?

Tom

i got the pics of the cashion rods on TW's website  . , the pics of the NRX's are taken by me at East County Bait & Tackle in Lakeside..

from a call i made to TW awhile back about another product , TW says they do not sell blemished or factory seconds .