Gliss, Nanofil, or Fireline Crystal

[CybrSlydr]

So which would you folks recommend for a MH 6'6" rod, 4000-series Penn Battle 2 for bass fishing?  Cranks/jigs?

[roadwarrior]

None of the above...

Jigs = Tatsu #12 or #15 

Crankbaits = Sunline Shooter Defier Armilo #10 or #12

 

 

[CybrSlydr]

16 minutes ago, roadwarrior said:

None of the above...

Jigs = Tatsu #12 or #15 

Crankbaits = Sunline Shooter Defier Armilo #10 or #12

 

 

I'm currently using Trilene XT in #10/#12.  Would I notice a positive difference in casting distance/feel?

EDIT:  This is a spinning setup, not casting.

[fishnkamp]

I have used a bunch of lines on my wife and my spinning rods over the last 40 years. I have come to the conclusion for us the Fireline original and a 4 foot leader made of p Line Cxx seems to work out great. We fish the Chesapeake Bay tidal rivers which you can run into barnacles, rebar, old ships, discarded concrete, wood pilings, etc. We also travel to big southern lakes like Dale Hollow, and Center Hill. These are deep clear water and I rarely need to change anything but my leader size. Most of the time I fish a 4 foot leader of 20 pound CXX in moss green. Sometimes out west I will go to 8 pound CXX or FloroClear..  That has worked out well even when throwing light baits like ned rigs on big, deep, grass flats.

[OkobojiEagle]

2 hours ago, CybrSlydr said:

So which would you folks recommend for a MH 6'6" rod, 4000-series Penn Battle 2 for bass fishing?  Cranks/jigs?

First of all I wouldn't have a 4000 sized spinning reel for my bass fishing, but since you do... I've used all of the lines you've mentioned and currently am comfortable throwing Fireline on all of my spinning reels, 6lb & 10lb.  You appear to be going a little heavier than I do with spinning gear so maybe the 14lb. Fireline would be a better choice for you.

 

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[CybrSlydr]

3 minutes ago, OkobojiEagle said:

First of all I wouldn't have a 4000 sized spinning reel for my bass fishing, but since you do... I've used all of the lines you've mentioned and currently am comfortable throwing Fireline on all of my spinning reels, 6lb & 10lb.  You appear to be going a little heavier than I do with spinning gear so maybe the 14lb. Fireline would be a better choice for you.

 

oe

I bought the 4000 because I figured it had room to grow if I should ever choose to chase something bigger than bass - and it was a similar price to the smaller ones. 

I typically throw 1/4-5/8oz lures - ned rig jigs are 1/10oz + baits.

Since I'm a bank beater, casting distance is of utmost importance.

[FrankN209]

1 hour ago, fishnkamp said:

I have used a bunch of lines on my wife and my spinning rods over the last 40 years. I have come to the conclusion for us the Fireline original and a 4 foot leader made of p Line Cxx seems to work out great. We fish the Chesapeake Bay tidal rivers which you can run into barnacles, rebar, old ships, discarded concrete, wood pilings, etc. We also travel to big southern lakes like Dale Hollow, and Center Hill. These are deep clear water and I rarely need to change anything but my leader size. Most of the time I fish a 4 foot leader of 20 pound CXX in moss green. Sometimes out west I will go to 8 pound CXX or FloroClear..  That has worked out well even when throwing light baits like ned rigs on big, deep, grass flats.

That Fireline is tuff as nails. Nearly impossible to break. I've pulled in logs with this stuff..

[OCdockskipper]

On 9/14/2016 at 9:16 AM, timsford said:

I tried using Nanofil in on a shaky head/light trig  ml spinning rod. I broke off about 10 fish on hooksets, even when I set it with less force than my 5 year old uses it still broke. It wasn't knot failure or abrasion either, just a clean break. I've been wanting to try gliss on my lighter spinning rods, but haven't picked any up yet

I am not doubting your experience with Nanofil, but something doesn't sound right about it.  I use 8 & 10 lb Nanofil with Pline Flurocarbon leaders on all of my spinning setups.  The leader knot is the Crazy Alberto & I put some super glue on it to lessen abrasion as it goes through the guides (many other people on this site believe that step is not needed).  Not only do the knot & line hold on hooksets, they have held up landing multiple bass over 7 lbs and a couple dozen catfish over 10 lbs.

I'm not trying to get you to rethink your line choice, just letting you know that what you experienced is not the normal for Nanofil when used correctly.

[ChrisD46]

On ‎9‎/‎14‎/‎2016 at 8:31 AM, IndianaFinesse said:

Gliss is much thinner and smoother than both nanofiliment and fireline, resulting in longer casts.  The only downside to gliss is that after about four months of very heavy use it starts fraying, while fireline can be used practically forever.  The difference between them is that fireline and nanofiliment are actually "braided" while gliss is not.  This means that gliss is much slicker if not as durable.

^This^

[DoDFire]

I love nanofil 8# for my hair jig rod and bought gliss a month ago, but I'm not sure about the stuff......I have a spool of suffix nanobraid in 8# that I'm thinking of spooling on tonight. The suffix nanobraid may be the ticket. Also I use a 6# leader and the FG knot is the best I have used on line to line connection if you use leader.

[Joshua Vandamm]

On 9/14/2016 at 8:55 AM, Preytorien said:

Like IndianaFinesse said, Gliss is VERY slick and casts like a bullet, but you will see some fraying, so it's a good idea to check your line often. That said, I've not personally made the transition to Gliss on my casting reels, it's just soooo thin, but it's on every single one of my spinning setups. 

Worth checking back on this one..still using gliss? it does cast like no other but its so slick knots are unreliable I've found. And its difficult not to slip or snap off leader material.

[Preytorien]

12 hours ago, Joshua Vandamm said:

Worth checking back on this one..still using gliss? it does cast like no other but its so slick knots are unreliable I've found. And its difficult not to slip or snap off leader material.

Yep still is. Yes, I have to do a little more diligence on my knots, it's not as forgiving as most other braid lines, and the smaller diameters can snap pretty easy, which I rarely see since my lighter setups using small diameters see me typically doing lighter reel sets.

 

I have even made the transition to two of my casting setups, particularly on my Chronarch MGL since it casts incredibly well with the MGL spool. It's their 40lb test and I gave a couple fish at the end of my season last year some pretty hard hooksets and didn't break it like the smaller diameters did.

 

I did change out one spinning setup to YGK Soul X-8 and have been pleased with it so far, but it's pretty pricey to me. Eventually I may try some of it on the MGL's, but that probably won't be for a while.

[Joshua Vandamm]

6 hours ago, Preytorien said:

Yep still is. Yes, I have to do a little more diligence on my knots, it's not as forgiving as most other braid lines, and the smaller diameters can snap pretty easy, which I rarely see since my lighter setups using small diameters see me typically doing lighter reel sets.

 

I have even made the transition to two of my casting setups, particularly on my Chronarch MGL since it casts incredibly well with the MGL spool. It's their 40lb test and I gave a couple fish at the end of my season last year some pretty hard hooksets and didn't break it like the smaller diameters did.

 

I did change out one spinning setup to YGK Soul X-8 and have been pleased with it so far, but it's pretty pricey to me. Eventually I may try some of it on the MGL's, but that probably won't be for a while.

Nice. So many mixed reviews on gliss. I’ve got some in every size and it does break also well under its rated strength. About ½. But if you factor that in it’s still a distance machine.  

Rigjt now I use 15lb 832, which cost close the the same as gliss. Have you compared those two?

Also, final question lol what is the lowest diameter leader you’d tie on gliss (say 18-24lb gliss), with what knot and how many turns? Don’t say FG! LOL too many wraps already for my tastes?

[Preytorien]

17 minutes ago, Joshua Vandamm said:

Nice. So many mixed reviews on gliss. I’ve got some in every size and it does break also well under its rated strength. About ½. But if you factor that in it’s still a distance machine.  

Rigjt now I use 15lb 832, which cost close the the same as gliss. Have you compared those two?

I can definitely agree with the fraying aspect of Gliss. If I run it through wood or rocks I'll either use a leader or check my line on nearly every retrieve. Anything rough breaks it quickly. It's not got very good abrasion resistance, but I fish mostly open water or gentle grasses.....no problems there. I don't really view it as a true, hardcore braid. I find myself categorizing it in one of its own, where it's a very long casting, sensitive, and low stretch line, but not a braided line so not quite so tough. It's a tough call as to what category I'd put it in, but I don't believe even Ardent (the manufacturer) classifies it as a braid, rather they lump it in the "superlines" category. I wouldn't pull any punches in telling folks if you're a power fisherman, use heavy setups, and hard hooksets then Gliss is not a good idea, it's almost exclusively a finesse line, built for casting finesse lures crazy distances. 

 

I've used both the 832 and Gliss, but I've not really done any side by side comparisons. In general compared to any sort of 8-strand braid like 832, the Gliss will be significantly more limp, there won't be a break in period of any kind. Both lines have color bleed, can't get away from that. I would say if you're setting the hook hard enough to cross their eyes, you'd probably be safest to use 832, but if you're finesse fishing, and doing gentle reelsets, then Gliss will make you happy in most cases. 

[Joshua Vandamm]

3 hours ago, Preytorien said:

I can definitely agree with the fraying aspect of Gliss. If I run it through wood or rocks I'll either use a leader or check my line on nearly every retrieve. Anything rough breaks it quickly. It's not got very good abrasion resistance, but I fish mostly open water or gentle grasses.....no problems there. I don't really view it as a true, hardcore braid. I find myself categorizing it in one of its own, where it's a very long casting, sensitive, and low stretch line, but not a braided line so not quite so tough. It's a tough call as to what category I'd put it in, but I don't believe even Ardent (the manufacturer) classifies it as a braid, rather they lump it in the "superlines" category. I wouldn't pull any punches in telling folks if you're a power fisherman, use heavy setups, and hard hooksets then Gliss is not a good idea, it's almost exclusively a finesse line, built for casting finesse lures crazy distances. 

 

I've used both the 832 and Gliss, but I've not really done any side by side comparisons. In general compared to any sort of 8-strand braid like 832, the Gliss will be significantly more limp, there won't be a break in period of any kind. Both lines have color bleed, can't get away from that. I would say if you're setting the hook hard enough to cross their eyes, you'd probably be safest to use 832, but if you're finesse fishing, and doing gentle reelsets, then Gliss will make you happy in most cases. 

Most helpful comment on the subject I’ve seen yet, by far. N as I have messed around with it a little bit myself it rings true. 

Sold on gliss for my ML spinning bass rods. Suffix for Casters. In the space btwn, we shall see. Probably safer with suffix on most M-Mh spinning rigs. ??

[Joshua Vandamm]

On 12/14/2016 at 2:46 PM, CybrSlydr said:

So which would you folks recommend for a MH 6'6" rod, 4000-series Penn Battle 2 for bass fishing?  Cranks/jigs?

People use jigs with spinning equipment? Real jigs/heavy hooks..? Not lighter jigheads?

[Further North]

On 2/18/2018 at 5:04 PM, Joshua Vandamm said:

Worth checking back on this one..still using gliss? it does cast like no other but its so slick knots are unreliable I've found. And its difficult not to slip or snap off leader material.

I remain underwhelmed.  I want to like it, but the frayed appearance, slippery knots (there's ways to work around this...but why would I when other braid doesn't need the work-arounds?) and inability to hold a leader just put me off the product.

 

That's just my perspective, folks that love it should keep using it.

12 hours ago, Preytorien said:

I have even made the transition to two of my casting setups, particularly on my Chronarch MGL since it casts incredibly well with the MGL spool. It's their 40lb test and I gave a couple fish at the end of my season last year some pretty hard hooksets and didn't break it like the smaller diameters did.

Interesting, thanks.

 

I ran the 40# on a baitcaster for part of a season and didn't care for it at all.

 

May need to re-think that.

6 hours ago, Joshua Vandamm said:

Right now I use 15lb 832, which cost close the the same as gliss. Have you compared those two?

I use 30# 832 on my BFS rig, with a leader.  This is the rig that had the 40# Gliss on it.

 

IMO, 832 is the better choice.  More durable, casts close to as far, easier to see.

[The Bassman]

Thought Gliss was the greatest thing since sliced bread when I started using it a couple of years ago.  Didn't take me long to realize how fragile it was.  It would fuzz if I barely touched it with my "bass thumb". It took very few outings to start fluffing up and that hurt casting distance.  Suprisingly, I had no issues with knot failure.  Fishin' Fool knot which is a two eye loop uni worked fine. I'm using several other lines, 4 and 8 strand now.

[Further North]

2 hours ago, Joshua Vandamm said:

People use jigs with spinning equipment? Real jigs/heavy hooks..? Not lighter jigheads?

Not heavy jigs, but yeah, there's about 8,000,000 walleye fishermen out there using jigs on spinning equipment.

 

We can learn some stuff from them with regard to finesse.

49 minutes ago, The Bassman said:

Thought Gliss was the greatest thing since sliced bread when I started using it a couple of years ago.  Didn't take me long to realize how fragile it was.  It would fuzz if I barely touched it with my "bass thumb". It took very few outings to start fluffing up and that hurt casting distance.  Suprisingly, I had no issues with knot failure.  Fishin' Fool knot which is a two eye loop uni worked fine. I'm using several other lines, 4 and 8 strand now.

I had the 24# on a ML spinning rig...thought it was the cat's PJs...until I took it trout fishing early last January. 

 

Our trout streams are full of rocks, trees, branches, washing machines, barbed wire fences...you name it...and I lost two spinners to Gliss line failures...which, in my head, shouldn't happen with 24# line when fishing for 8" - 12" fish...and I was fishing it with a 6 ft. co-poly leader that was doing just fine.

 

It got so beat up in that one 4-hour outing that I lost all confidence in it.  The visual I use is: Remember Dog from Back to the future?  Remember his hair?  Looked like that...

[Joshua Vandamm]

39 minutes ago, Further North said:

Not heavy jigs, but yeah, there's about 8,000,000 walleye fishermen out there using jigs on spinning equipment.

 

We can learn some stuff from them with regard to finesse.

I had the 24# on a ML spinning rig...thought it was the cat's PJs...until I took it trout fishing early last January. 

 

Our trout streams are full of rocks, trees, branches...you name it...and I lost two spinners to Gliss line failures...which, in my head, shouldn't happen with 24# line when fishing for 8" - 12" fish...and I was fishing it with a 6 ft. co-poly leader that was doing just fine.

 

It got so beat up in that one 4-hour outing that I lost all confidence in it.  The visual I use is: Remember Dog from Back to the future?  Remember his hair?  Looked like that...

True. I think he meant real jigs tho. I use spinning gear on micro jigs all the time. 

Anyways yea. Its frays on anything solid. Guess is all about the structure you fish.  It does cast a good bit farther than 832. Even 10lb 832 looses to 24 lb gliss on that front. By 10 yds or so. 

[Further North]

1 hour ago, Joshua Vandamm said:

True. I think he meant real jigs tho. I use spinning gear on micro jigs all the time. 

Anyways yea. Its frays on anything solid. Guess is all about the structure you fish.  It does cast a good bit farther than 832. Even 10lb 832 looses to 24 lb gliss on that front. By 10 yds or so. 

I agree...but I think nailing the "spot on the spot" is more important than being able to cast to Brazil...

 

The day I need that 10 yards?  Time to fish for something else....those fish are over pressured...best to leave them the heck alone and go find something that's not as stressed...

 

...but that works up here...maybe not where you are.

[Joshua Vandamm]

7 minutes ago, Further North said:

I agree...but I think nailing the "spot on the spot" is more important than being able to cast to Brazil...

 

The day I need that 10 yards?  Time to fish for something else....those fish are over pressured...best to leave them the heck alone and go find something that's not as stressed...

 

...but that works up here...maybe not where you are.

Wish it was! ? 

Im in MoCo MD. Everywhere is over pressured.  Overcrowded to insane degrees. And not nearly enough good fishing waters to start with. 

Theres a saying “if u can catch in Maryland u can catch anywhere.” Roland Martin is proof of that (and he was around before it got swamped with certain types of people keeping Bass to eat?. This is my only real issue with sanctuary cities. Or sanctuary counties such as it is.). 

[Further North]

36 minutes ago, Joshua Vandamm said:

Wish it was! ? 

Im in MoCo MD. Everywhere is over pressured.  Overcrowded to insane degrees. And not nearly enough good fishing waters to start with. 

Theres a saying “if u can catch in Maryland u can catch anywhere.” Roland Martin is proof of that (and he was around before it got swamped with certain types of people keeping Bass to eat?. This is my only real issue with sanctuary cities. Or sanctuary counties such as it is.). 

Don't take this wrong...but I couldn't deal with that...

 

There's likely fewer people in out county...1,040 sq. miles...than in your town/city.  There's less than 65K people in the whole county than live within about 5 miles of you.  Your county (507 sq. miles and 1.04 million people...) is more than I could deal with at my age...I'd go outta my mind...

[Joshua Vandamm]

3 hours ago, Further North said:

Don't take this wrong...but I couldn't deal with that...

 

There's likely fewer people in out county...1,040 sq. miles...than in your town/city.  There's less than 65K people in the whole county than live within about 5 miles of you.  Your county (507 sq. miles and 1.04 million people...) is more than I could deal with at my age...I'd go outta my mind...

Sad but true. I was born here but I’ve lived in FL and SC (coastal) until recently. Had to move back. It SUCKS. LOL really tho. Like NY city without the upkeep. It’s dc metro “swamp” People here. That one was no lie. Reason is the overcrowding. Makes ppl cold to one another. 

[Preytorien]

Gliss will really get the tryout this year for me since it's on a good majority of my rigs, the first time it's on this many. This will be sort of the make or break year for it.

 

I can already see another contender creeping in though, the YGK Soul X-8. Seems to be even thinner but stronger and, as far as I can tell, more abrasion resistant. I see reviews of guys using it for inshore fishing and not having issues. 

 

The only problem (compared to Gliss), is the cost, but that may become a non-factor if it works that much better. 

 

I'm not disillusioned, if I could find a line that casts as good, or better than Gliss AND has better abrasion resistance....well then....