Braid vs Mono Size - Shimano Reel

[Xirmev]

I was looking at the specs of the Stradic fk 2500, according to the shimano site it will hold 140 yards of 8# mono and 100 yards of 30# power pro. I tought 30# braid was supposed to be equal to 8# mono in size? How come theres a 40 yard difference?

 

Shimano Site Specs:

ST2500HGFK	35	mono - 6/200, 8/140, 10/120	Power Pro - 10/150, 15/145, 30/100

Thank you,

[Raul]

Because 30 lb braid is not equivalent in diameter to 8 lb test monofilament.

[new2BC4bass]

5 hours ago, Raul said:

Because 30 lb braid is not equivalent in diameter to 8 lb test monofilament.

Going by the maker's advertising most are equivalent to 8 lb. mono.  Samurai is suppose to be equivalent to 6 lb. mono.  OP: Maybe they are figuring a row or two of 14 lb. mono as a base for the braid. 

[fishballer06]

Seems like something silly to worry about, if you ask me... 

[new2BC4bass]

14 minutes ago, fishballer06 said:

Seems like something silly to worry about, if you ask me... 

I think that is what Raul was getting at.  I only use the yardage listing on reels as a guide line.  I fill to where I think the reel will perform best.  What that is I have no idea nor do I care as long as there is enough line for bass fishing.

[JustJames]

I think it depends on brand too, like Raul mention 30lbs of samurai ~ 6lbs mono. I happened to use the same brand but J-daiwa which 20lbs braided ~ 6lbs mono. That is good enough for me. I got at least more than 100yds on my 2500 symetre. Dont forget you have to deduct backing line depends on how much you spool in first. 

[Logan S]

There is no industry standard for the diameter to strength-rating ratio....It varies widely from brand to brand and even model to model within some brands.  

Shouldn't really matter though, you'll fit more than enough line on that reel...Filling any standard spool without a backing is just a waste of line.  50 to 60 yards is about the most you'll need for anything in the bass fishing world.  

[Raul]

1 hour ago, Logan S said:

There is no industry standard for the diameter to strength-rating ratio....It varies widely from brand to brand and even model to model within some brands.  

 

That´s exactly the point, there´s no standard.

Why a Shimano reels specifically uses Power Pro as a reference ?  is because Power Pro belongs to Shimano.

[aquaholik]

8 lb Trilene XL is .25mm or .0098 inches

30 lb Power Pro is .313mm or .012 inches

Very few 30lbs braid is actually 8lb mono diameter.

[J Francho]

Since Shimano owns Power Pro, I bet they are using that as a reference for diameter size.

[Xirmev]

Thanks everyone for the replies.

I understand they use power pro as a reference since Shimano owns it. If you look closely at a Power Pro 30lbs spool it says equivalent to 8lbs mono. I was just curious about the capacity difference in the reels compared to what Power Pro advertises. I know it actually doesnt matter much for bass fishing, but it does for saltwater and i normally fish both.

[J Francho]

30# Power Pro is .011, as is 8# Trilene XL.  I always use Trilene as a benchmark for line size, since its one of the more ubiquitous lines in use by average fishermen, away from the internet.  If you follow the instructions on the box, they recommend using those little foam stick on things in the base of the spool, to keep the line from slipping.  I'm gonna wager a guess that those stick on foam pieces take up the 40 yard difference.  The only way to really tell is to use a line counter tool when you spool up.

I see your case for the amount mattering.  I don't fish salt, but one of my reels serves double duty for salmon and trout, most are well over ten pounds, some kings can run up to 40 pounds, and they can make some pretty long runs.  I have three Stradics - two are 2500, and one is the higher capacity 3000.  The only difference in the 3000 is a deeper spool.  I use this reel for trout and salmon. I'd recommend that reel to you, based what you've relayed here.

[Xirmev]

14 minutes ago, J Francho said:

30# Power Pro is .011, as is 8# Trilene XL.  I always use Trilene as a benchmark for line size, since its one of the more ubiquitous lines in use by average fishermen, away from the internet.  If you follow the instructions on the box, they recommend using those little foam stick on things in the base of the spool, to keep the line from slipping.  I'm gonna wager a guess that those stick on foam pieces take up the 40 yard difference.  The only way to really tell is to use a line counter tool when you spool up.

Now that makes sense! Ill have to get a line counter and do the test.

Thanks!

 

[J Francho]

Line counters are nice to have.  I still say grab the 3000 model, if you need the capacity.  I always use a mono backer instead of those foam things anyway.

 

[KDW96]

What line counter do you guys use? I always just use the guesstimate gauge☺

[J Francho]

I think Berkley or something.  They're just a cheap gadget found in the miscellaneous aisle.