ATAK 120 Question

[Hogsticker]

Wilderness systems is releasing the new Radar series which indeed accepts both the motor drive and pedal drive. They are also releasing the new ATAK 120. I know this will accept the motor drive, but it's unclear if it will accept the pedal drive. I can't find any information confirming it anyways. Does anyone know for certain? Thx 

[Turtle135]

Neither the ATAK 140 or the ATAK 120 will accept the pedal drive.

[jhc1]

I'd love to hear the motivation for not allowing the pedal drive in the ATAK. Could it be weight?

[flyfisher]

Look at the deck of the radar and yo can see that the flex pod and pedal drive are in separate locations.  The flex pod seems to be in the same spot with the pedal drive closer to the seat.  This allows you to have your electronics and pedal drive.  I am guessing the structural aspects of the flex pod would not allow for pedal drive compatibility.  

And as far as weight goes, the Radar is not a light boat by any means either 

 

[Turtle135]

15 minutes ago, jhc1 said:

I'd love to hear the motivation for not allowing the pedal drive in the ATAK. Could it be weight?

I am just guessing but I suspect they found out that the slot where the pedal drive inserts into the kayak needs to be as structurally sound as possible. Even more so than the slot on the ATAK where the Helix Motor Drive can be installed. A human constantly applying torque on those pedals could cause some failures if that area is not properly designed.

One video promo they put out months ago did kind of paint the impression that the pedals would fit the ATAK. Wildy is probably regretting that video now as some people felt they had been misled. 

[jhc1]

2 hours ago, Turtle135 said:

I am just guessing but I suspect they found out that the slot where the pedal drive inserts into the kayak needs to be as structurally sound as possible. Even more so than the slot on the ATAK where the Helix Motor Drive can be installed. A human constantly applying torque on those pedals could cause some failures if that area is not properly designed.

One video promo they put out months ago did kind of paint the impression that the pedals would fit the ATAK. Wildy is probably regretting that video now as some people felt they had been misled. 

Ah, so it's possible that the ATAK isn't as robust in that area as the Radar. Fair enough. 

[Hogsticker]

12 hours ago, flyfisher said:

Look at the deck of the radar and yo can see that the flex pod and pedal drive are in separate locations.  The flex pod seems to be in the same spot with the pedal drive closer to the seat.  This allows you to have your electronics and pedal drive.  I am guessing the structural aspects of the flex pod would not allow for pedal drive compatibility.  

And as far as weight goes, the Radar is not a light boat by any means either 

 

That's what stemmed my question. The Atak 120 only weighs 70 pounds, where the Radar is about 15 pounds heavier. I'll wait to see what transpires regarding pedal kayak options. The Pescador Pilot is the only other one I know of at this time. I wonder if anyone will get around to making a pedal drive canoe, if it's feasible or if there's a market. 

[flyfisher]

Native makes a pedal drive hybrid which is probably as close as you will get.  And pretty much every major brand makes a pedal drive now.

[Hogsticker]

4 hours ago, flyfisher said:

Native makes a pedal drive hybrid which is probably as close as you will get.  And pretty much every major brand makes a pedal drive now.

I thought that was discontinued and NuCanoe has no pedal drive as of yet. I don't think Jackson does either. 

I take that back. Looks like Jackson has a Coosa FD in the works - TBD 

[flyfisher]

I don't see nucnaoe as a major brand and Jackson, Native, Wilderness, Feel Free and Hobie all have pedal drives.

http://nativewatercraft.com/product/ultimate-fx-propel-13/