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I use the palomar not for every type of line, lure, and hook...have never had a failure at all when tied properly. Just like one of the guys mentioned earlier, the only failures I've had were when I "rushed" the knot and burned the line. After a few failures of that, if I notice a burn then I just cut and retie it again...better safe than sorry! 

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On 8/3/2016 at 7:41 PM, fishindad said:

The best advice as mentioned is to use whatever knot you can confidently tie and that works the best - for you. Just keep trying different knots until you're happy.

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This thread motivated me to do an internet search to look for data on connection knot testing and performance ranking.  To summarize what's out there in a few words: there is no 100% consensus about which knot is strongest, (floro, braid, or mono).   

There seems to be general consensus about which knots tend to rank close to the top; to name a few: the Berkley Braid, the Fish-n-Fool, the Burke (aka "doubled Uni" per Aaron Martens, but with fewer wraps than Martins recommends), the Palomar, NanoFil (doubled Palomar) and the San Diego Jam.  A common thread among these knots (sorry) is that they have doubled line at the connection point, with the exception of the San Diego Jam.  These are knots that I've found fairly easy to tie.

These top tier knots tend to rank somewhat higher than single-strand knots such as the uni/Grinner or the Pitzen/Eugene Bend and the Trilene (doubled at the connection) (though all of these can also rank highly, and an endorsement by RW is good enough for me).  

The improved clinch tends to rank lower in performance but can also be adequate.  My feeling is that once you've narrowed it down to one of the knots in the top-tier groups, your selection will be based on personal preference and trial and error.  

My primary references are the "knot wars" series videos, Berkley's website, and various knot tying videos by different pros such as Grigsby and Martens.  I also use and practice with the excellent "Pro-knot" app, or the related website.  That, and my own completely unscientific field testing.  

For line-to-floro leader connections, there seems to be more consensus about which knots are the best, and a quick search through the forums shows two of the top are the FG knot (which many feel has drawbacks, others wouldn't do any other way), and variations of the Alberto/Modified Albright.  Also up there, depending on the application are the uni-uni and the J-knot.

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Here's a Flouro to Braid connection knot Tied by Terry Scroggins.

I like it and incidentally - it works nicely when using braid to mono as well.

Needs a name though - and until something else comes along, I'm calling it The Scrogginhiemer"

:)

A-Jay

 

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iv seen that, I'm using the FG knot and I have loved it ever since. its super super thin and really strong. I have broken line and lures before the knot.

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the knot that aaron martens ties, forgot the name of it, but i go through the hook twice before i tie the knot. super strong knot and easy to tie. 

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9 hours ago, Hattrick7 said:

 

the knot that aaron martens ties, forgot the name of it, but i go through the hook twice before i tie the knot. super strong knot and easy to tie.

 

 

On 8/11/2016 at 0:26 PM, snake95 said:

the Burke (aka "doubled Uni" per Aaron Martens, but with fewer wraps than Martins recommends),

I believe that Martens refers to the knot he describes in several of his videos as the "double Uni" but the consensus seems to be that the "double Uni" is the term for the uni-to-uni line connection knot.  

I am pretty sure this same knot is described elsewhere, at least in the "knot wars" videos, as the "Burke" knot.  Call it what you will... who the heck am I to tell Aaron Martens what to call his knots.

Martens is known for using light tackle so I figure he's an authoritative source for an opinion on knots for light floro.  I agree with Hattrick I've been using it lately for light lines and small jigs and it is simple and holds well for me.  

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For flouro to lure/hook the only knot I use is a Davy knot. I haven't seen it mentioned yet. Small, easy to tie and strong. You can thank me later!

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SDJ for flouro. 

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I have been fishing my whole life and have never had an issue with a clinch or improved clinch. It's definitely NOT the knot...it's the line! I am very picky about the flouro I use. Some lines tie like crap, and I do not use them. So far, Seagar is a winner for me. Been using it for years. You may also try Yo-Zuri Hybrid. It is very abrasion resistant, and it ties very well. 

The Davy knot may also work for you. It has very few turns, thus minimizing the opportunity for burn. I use it for flyfishing to tie a fly to a flouro leader. Very strong knot, and very fast and easy to tie! I haven't tried it on spin or casting rigs though.

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