Everybody's an expert

[d-camarena]

I saw that too, very immature

[beardown34]

it seems like the feelings on this subject vary fairly predictably by age -- both chronologic age and fishing-experience age. i'm not too much older than the youtubers presumably in question (the crew of Jon B, APbassin, 1rod, LunkersTV). a big difference is i'm married with kids.

i only began fishing last year, but if i could have spent a large portion of my younger years (1) fishing; (2) screwing around with close friends; (3) fishing while screwing around with close friends, i definitely would haven done it. Jon B's first posted video has an upload date of 2009, and he looks like he's barely a teenager. that gives me the sense that he flat out loves fishing, not that he wants to peddle product. it's not their fault that there was a simultaneous emergence of gopro's and high quality mobile videos are infinitely more available now than in all of our past's, and (platforms like youtube, snapchat, instagram, that can broadcast such videos. and as they are now college aged and older and it's time to make some money, why not merge that responsibility with their hobby? if i could have made money having fun with friends and fishing as opposed to working the graveyard shift at the computer lab, you better believe i would have.

i'm not defending them from a personal standpoint as i don't know any of them (although it appears Jon B is also in the north Chicagoland), but i definitely do find their channels and content amusing and educational. plus, take or leave the music, but the video production on at least one of those channels is pretty remarkable for a 'normal guy.'

for me, it's immeasurably helpful to be able to watch someone fish from the bank -- positioning, casting and hookset mechanics, working a lure, landing and releasing the fish. i realize all of this is second nature to a lot of folks and is not worth watching -- that's not their fault. i've never bought any retail product because of their videos (but even if i did, so what?), but i have definitely improved various presentations because of them.

and it's only with the tremendous breadth of information available online (not just their channels) that i've been able to introduce the sport of fishing to my 5 and 3 year olds. 

 

it seems to me the hosts of other available fishing content all look like this. talk about product pimping.

 

[HeavyDluxe]

1 hour ago, slonezp said:

While I don't disagree with you, I think young people trying to push products rather than push the sport is doing a disservice. to the young people watching the videos. I'd much rather see a kid show another kid how to bait a hook and cast a line than talk about his Shimano reel and Loomis rod and KVD crankbait....and it's not only kids. Plenty of adults filming themselves catching 15" bass editing the videos with a heavy metal song and posting the videos online.

I mentioned earlier, education is what sells the sport and makes people better fisherman, not some mope sight fishing with senkos 

Thanks for the reply.

FWIW, I think the unboxing videos isn't "pushing products" and the like... C'mon. We're bass fisherman. Every one of us looks at new baits/rigs/lures and wonder whether they're going to be the secret voodoo that will entice the fish to bite better.  (I seem to recall a ton of Ned-Rig-as-Lord-and-Savior posts on here at a time.)

Truth is that studies have shown that the younger generation is the MOST skeptical of advertising. So, I'm not sure everyone's rushing out to buy [bait x] just because [youtube fisherman with cool EDM playing in his vids] made an unboxing vid on them.  But, I bet there are people starting who find those ideas and labels really helpful.  

Finally, if the mope sight fishing with senkos is catching fish, I think that's the definition of a good fisherman. 

[Airman4754]

In the internet video world there is Matt Allen, pro anglers shoving sponsors down your throat, regular guys shoving sponsors down your throat, regular guys that decided to buy a GoPro, and kids that got a GoPro for X-mas. 

[hoosierbass07]

1 hour ago, d-camarena said:

I saw that too, very immature

 

   Yep, I didn't watch the whole video because of that.  But I will say, at least these young people are doing things in the outdoors.  Anything that gets people (young and older) in the outdoors is a good thing. 

 

[slonezp]

22 minutes ago, HeavyDluxe said:

Thanks for the reply.

FWIW, I think the unboxing videos isn't "pushing products" and the like... C'mon. We're bass fisherman. Every one of us looks at new baits/rigs/lures and wonder whether they're going to be the secret voodoo that will entice the fish to bite better.  (I seem to recall a ton of Ned-Rig-as-Lord-and-Savior posts on here at a time.)

Truth is that studies have shown that the younger generation is the MOST skeptical of advertising. So, I'm not sure everyone's rushing out to buy [bait x] just because [youtube fisherman with cool EDM playing in his vids] made an unboxing vid on them.  But, I bet there are people starting who find those ideas and labels really helpful.  

Finally, if the mope sight fishing with senkos is catching fish, I think that's the definition of a good fisherman. 

I'm not knocking senkos, just the mopes There's more to bass fishing and fishing in general than just beating the banks. Here's a thought. Tell me why you cast or pitch to a particular spot. I believe the biggest challenge we fishermen deal with is eliminating unproductive water. I could unbox 100 lures and still not know where and how to fish them. That's what I'm getting at

This isn't about youtube but it should get my point across. A couple years ago we had a local show that lasted 1 season on tv  The show was called Structure Fishing and was centered around spoon plugging and the teachings of Buck Perry. There were 5 minute "classroom" segments on every episode and 20 minutes of the host fishing, promoting his 8yo  kid and his sponsors. In his defense, I guess you need to promote the sponsors to get paid...but not the kid. The host was crucified on local forums and told to drop the kid to which he got real defensive. It seemed he was using the show to launch his kids career. Guess what? No more show and no more kid. Here's some of the classroom videos. I could watch these for hours, yet these videos have 1500 views and not 150,000 Go figure

 

another

 

[Tim Kelly]

Thanks for putting those films up Sloan. I really learnt a lot form reading spoonplugging and these films are a great way of reminding myself some of the key points. I have subscribed.

[slonezp]

7 hours ago, Tim Kelly said:

Thanks for putting those films up Sloan. I really learnt a lot form reading spoonplugging and these films are a great way of reminding myself some of the key points. I have subscribed.

No need to thank me. If anything I did it for selfish reasons, to prove a point. There's more to fishing than the fishing part.

[Further North]

On 7/19/2016 at 9:23 AM, buzzed bait said:

i can't get on youtube from my office and that's where i spend most all my time online.  sometimes i'm angry that i can't watch a video or two, but then most times i remember what garbage i watched on there the last time and i come right back to the forums....  probably blocked for a good reason i guess!

I wonder how your employer feels about that?

...we blocked Internet access for everyone who demonstrated they couldn't be responsible about using it.

Overtime dropped like a stone in the first month...

[A-Jay]

15 minutes ago, Further North said:

I wonder how your employer feels about that?

...we blocked Internet access for everyone who demonstrated they couldn't be responsible about using it.

Overtime dropped like a stone in the first month...

And strangely enough, productivity probably stayed the same or may have even improved.

A-Jay

[buzzed bait]

2 hours ago, Further North said:

I wonder how your employer feels about that?

...we blocked Internet access for everyone who demonstrated they couldn't be responsible about using it.

Overtime dropped like a stone in the first month...

Company of about 30,000 employees so I've no doubt it's in their best interest.... 

[Further North]

2 minutes ago, buzzed bait said:

Company of about 30,000 employees so I've no doubt it's in their best interest.... 

@ 30,000...I'd have IT run a report showing which internal accounts were on non-work related websites more than about 60-90 (enough for lunch and breaks) minutes a day, then I'd block every one of them.

I'd leave the folks who were within those parameters.

...and the goobers who tried to go around the blocks?  I'd encourage them to seek alternate employment.

[Paul Roberts]

On 7/23/2016 at 9:20 PM, slonezp said:

I'm not knocking senkos, just the mopes There's more to bass fishing and fishing in general than just beating the banks. Here's a thought. Tell me why you cast or pitch to a particular spot. I believe the biggest challenge we fishermen deal with is eliminating unproductive water. I could unbox 100 lures and still not know where and how to fish them. That's what I'm getting at

This isn't about youtube but it should get my point across. A couple years ago we had a local show that lasted 1 season on tv  The show was called Structure Fishing and was centered around spoon plugging and the teachings of Buck Perry. There were 5 minute "classroom" segments on every episode and 20 minutes of the host fishing, promoting his 8yo  kid and his sponsors. In his defense, I guess you need to promote the sponsors to get paid...but not the kid. The host was crucified on local forums and told to drop the kid to which he got real defensive. It seemed he was using the show to launch his kids career. Guess what? No more show and no more kid. Here's some of the classroom videos. I could watch these for hours, yet these videos have 1500 views and not 150,000 Go figure

 

another

 

Yeah, I was thinking of this one, and some others, when I posted above. (I don't agree with everything he says, but that's not the point.) It just doesn't get the level of interest other types of vids do. Just like on the forums, there's way more traffic discussing the toys. Which, to your point, is the easy part. To be fair, learning about the gear is where everyone starts and even old salts must revisit. 

However I think that what most interests fisherman -at least those that have gotten somewhat serious enough to take wondering beyond a shrug- is the methodology behind successful fishing. This is what is so often asked for and so rarely provided in much detail. I still get riled when I read, or hear, "...depends on conditions...". It's a tough job though, bc there's a lot to explain, and we simply don't always know why things work. 

What interests me is going a step further to understand what goes on under the water that could explain the fishing results. That kind of info is rarer still, and adds incredible complexity to something the majority really consider a "pastime". I guess I'm a true wacko.  But I come by it honestly.

[Tim Kelly]

Been watching some of those Structure fishing films, love the older films of the guys demonstrating stuff on the water. Does anyone know what the old catherdral/tri hulled tiller boats they're using are?

 

 

[Catt]

I look at these YouTube videos pretty much like I look at the website, there are anglers here at all levels of expertise.

It's fairly easy to decern who knows what they're talking about & who is simply repeating what they've read somewhere. 

The difference between to two is experience!

If you goal is to teach others how "catch" my suggestion is to start a thread here under the name of your home lake. 

I started one about Toledo Bend, right know we're at 222 pgs, 5,525 replies, & was viewed 790,391 times!

I'm not saying this to brag but as challenge; how many are willing to give up your home waters?

[Team9nine]

3 hours ago, Tim Kelly said:

Been watching some of those Structure fishing films, love the older films of the guys demonstrating stuff on the water. Does anyone know what the old catherdral/tri hulled tiller boats they're using are?

The boat Don Dickson used, a 15' version, was made by Troller Boats, Butler, PA., owned by Jim Cronenwett who ran West Penn Boat Sales.  I believe Don was helping promote them some (he was originally from the Pittsburgh, PA area).  They (Troller Boats) were started around 1976. They were modeled after the old Boston Whalers.

-T9

 

[Tim Kelly]

Thank you. 

I'm surprised the cathedral hull isn't used in more small freshwater boats any more. They used to be very popular. I can only think of the Tuffy esox and esox magnum  that are still made and sold for freshwater fishing. 

[J Francho]

Pad hulls and mod-v offer better performance, less slap.  I could always hear a tri-hull coming, with all the hull slap.  They were a rough ride, at least any I'd been in.

[Tim Kelly]

They offer much greater stability at rest than a pad or mod v hull of the same width though. I suppose boats are generally wider now, so that stability issue is less relevant?

[Master Bait'r]

3 hours ago, Catt said:

how many are willing to give up your home waters?

 

Not me!!  Lol...  I like to talk about technique, not locations.  I'm not on any lakes like TB either though FWIW.  

[Paul Roberts]

Tri-hulls... can hurt! And wear you out. John calls it 'slap' I called it 'pounding'!

[J Francho]

You can get a nice pounding from any hull, lol.  Ask @Tim Kelly about sitting on my balls while crossing Cayuga a couple years ago.

[Tim Kelly]

I'm pretty certain I didn't sit on your balls John.  

[Catt]

19 minutes ago, J Francho said:

You can get a nice pounding from any hull, lol.  Ask @Tim Kelly about sitting on my balls while crossing Cayuga a couple years ago.

That's called over sharing!

42 minutes ago, Master Bait'r said:

 

Not me!!  Lol...  I like to talk about technique, not locations.  I'm not on any lakes like TB either though FWIW.  

I do not give out GPS locations, I do teach map reading, & how to read structure!

[Paul Roberts]

1 hour ago, Master Bait'r said:

Not me!!  Lol...  I like to talk about technique, not locations.  I'm not on any lakes like TB either though FWIW.  

 

57 minutes ago, Catt said:

I do not give out GPS locations, I do teach map reading, & how to read structure!

There are plenty of spots-on-a-spot out there to go around, especially when you factor in timing.

 

Now... what was this thread about??