Polamar vs improved clinch. For flouro

[LipRipper1]

The title says it all.        Which is stronger     i do relise flouro does only hold about 70% knot strength

[Fish4bigfish]

Uni is in my opinion the best fluoro knot. I have never had it fail me.

[Big Bait Fishing]

i use the improved clinch knot tying all baits to a hook except when i tie a hook on a drop shot , then i use a palomar knot . all my line to line connections i use a uni-to-uni knot or an albright knot. i rarely if ever have my knot fail with an improved clinch , i use for baits from 1/4 oz. up to 14 oz.

[LipRipper1]

1 hour ago, Fish4bigfish said:

Uni is in my opinion the best fluoro knot. I have never had it fail me.

Actually the uni is a little weaker than the palomar itested it on a scale

[Fish4bigfish]

I've had palomar knot fail. After watching Arron Martin I adopted his knot. I have never had it break. Also you can double the line and then tie the uni making a double uni! If it doesn't work for you I'm not going to convince you but knot "testing" is subjective.

Also the strength of a uni knot can depend on how many wraps you make. Lots of guys tell you 4 or 5. Arron teaches 7 or 8 wraps

[Turkey sandwich]

4 minutes ago, Fish4bigfish said:

I've had palomar knot fail. After watching Arron Martin I adopted his knot. I have never had it break. Also you can double the line and then tie the uni making a double uni! If it doesn't work for you I'm not going to convince you but knot "testing" is subjective.

Also the strength of a uni knot can depend on how many wraps you make. Lots of guys tell you 4 or 5. Arron teaches 7 or 8 wraps

All knots can fail, the trick is getting good at one of the better ones and learning to tie them quickly on the water.  Palomar, improved clinch and uni are all good knots with advantages and disadvantages.  If you fish with leaders, improved clinch has the huge advantage of less wasted line than the other two.  As for the number of wraps in both uni and improved clinch, more doesn't necessarily equal better.  It's all relative to line size.  Smaller lines = more wraps.  

[Fish4bigfish]

6 minutes ago, Turkey sandwich said:

All knots can fail, the trick is getting good at one of the better ones and learning to tie them quickly on the water.  Palomar, improved clinch and uni are all good knots with advantages and disadvantages.  If you fish with leaders, improved clinch has the huge advantage of less wasted line than the other two.  As for the number of wraps in both uni and improved clinch, more doesn't necessarily equal better.  It's all relative to line size.  Smaller lines = more wraps.  

I can definitely agree. One more thing I want to mention is how versatile the uni is. I can tie line to lure, I can tie leaving a long tag end for drop shot, I can snell a hook and I can tie line to line. All using the same uni style knot!

But I also realize that just like brand loyalty we all have ou favorites! 

[MickD]

All knots with fluoro, and to some degree mono, require lubing while they are being finished.  It is my opinion that the place where the palomar shines is with braid.  The other "easy" knots just won't be reliable.

From watching this forum for a few years and seeing the same issues about knots over and over, I have concluded that some people learn to tie knots well, and some do not.  EVERY knot has to be learned properly.  With flouro and mono lube is required and properly finishing the knots with a solid, careful, "set" is required.  If it's going to fail, it will fail as you are finishing and setting the knot.

[swandog]

This is the knot I use for flouro. The only name I know to call it is the "Shaw Grigsby knot." Since I have been using it, I've had no fish break offs.

 

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

5 hours ago, LipRipper1 said:

Actually the uni is a little weaker than the palomar itested it on a scale

On knot wars the fishnfool knot(uni knot) beat quite a few knots including the palomar. around 6:20 for the FnF vs palomar

 

[OkobojiEagle]

I believe knots that pass through the hook eye twice (Trilene knot) are stronger terminal knots than those that don't (clinch).

 

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[Team9nine]

8 hours ago, LipRipper1 said:

The title says it all.        Which is stronger     i do relise flouro does only hold about 70% knot strength

In test data I've seen, the improved clinch was slightly better than the Palomar. However, it also had more variability (deviation) in repeated testing. San Diego Jam was right there with the Palomar for strength and consistency. The Uni and Trilene knots were somewhat weaker than the others. Actual knot breaking strength compared to tested line braking strength for the 5 knots ranged from 67%-78% with fluorocarbon. Keep in mind that brand of fluorocarbon will make a difference in overall knot strength, as well as how well you tie any of these particular knots.

Personally, I use a Palomar for all three line types.

-T9

[Schuyler co]

55 minutes ago, swandog said:

This is the knot I use for flouro. The only name I know to call it is the "Shaw Grigsby knot." Since I have been using it, I've had no fish break offs.

 

I second that; I've heard it called a double San Diego jam knot...whatever, it works! I use it for everything and every type of line with the exception on drop shoting with a palomar.

[riverbasser]

I only have experience with the improved clinch, trilene, and Palomar and have never had either break with fish on. I did read in another topic the other day where Catt said if you run the Palomar over itself the line will cut itself? I haven't been able to figure this one out.

@Catt

[J Francho]

Of the two, a palomar is a stronger knot, if well tied.  A uni knot is easier to tie, and very strong, so I use that more often for fluoro, unless it's a drop shot rig.  Then I use a palomar.  The only time I use an improved clinch is with copoly, and spinner baits, buzz baits, and the like.

[Catt]

56 minutes ago, riverbasser said:

I only have experience with the improved clinch, trilene, and Palomar and have never had either break with fish on. I did read in another topic the other day where Catt said if you run the Palomar over itself the line will cut itself? I haven't been able to figure this one out.

@Catt

When trying a Palomar knot ya run the line through the eye, pulling slack, ya run it back through the eye.

Correct?

You have two paralle lines

Correct?

When you goto tie your first "loop/overhand knot", if you let those first two parallels lines cross over each other the line in top can/will cut the lower line.

[Fish4bigfish]

3 minutes ago, ssheldon1 said:

If you're scale testing your knots, why are you asking the question? 

 

They are both wrong. The correct answer is 6.

Care to elaborate?

Well hundreds of bass, catfish, striped bass, sturgeon, salmon and steelhead later... I'm over here with no knot failures! Not one! Use what works for ya.

[LipRipper1]

4 hours ago, QUAKEnSHAKE said:

On knot wars the fishnfool knot(uni knot) beat quite a few knots including the palomar. around 6:20 for the FnF vs palomar

 

I never doubled it like that i will be trying that.   Thanks

Im using seagaur inizx.   And fc sniper line

[riverbasser]

7 minutes ago, LipRipper1 said:

I never doubled it like that i will be trying that.   Thanks

Im using seagaur inizx.   And fc sniper line

I noticed that too. If you google the knots it seems when you double it that what they call the fish n fool. Otherwise its the uni.

[LipRipper1]

Dang it works really well better than the palomar. 

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

1 hour ago, LipRipper1 said:

I never doubled it like that i will be trying that.   Thanks

Im using seagaur inizx.   And fc sniper line

I have 10-12-16# sniper too and use the fishnfool knot but with 6 turns for all line braid fc. If you have ever bought Power Pro line, in their manual, they say to use this knot for stronger connection- through the eye twice 6 turn uni knot.

[Fish4bigfish]

I didn't know it was called the fishin fool lol I've just thought it was a uni with doubled over line. 

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

41 minutes ago, Fish4bigfish said:

I didn't know it was called the fishin fool lol I've just thought it was a uni with doubled over line. 

The line isnt doubled over on itself its a single strand put through the eye twice. Now what you mention doubling the line over I use for my nanofil line. Will double the line over and then go through the eye twice to 6 turn uni knot. My 6# nano will hold to 9# and my 8#nano will hold to 12# with this doubled over knot.

[Fish4bigfish]

14 minutes ago, QUAKEnSHAKE said:

The line isnt doubled over on itself its a single strand put through the eye twice. Now what you mention doubling the line over I use for my nanofil line. Will double the line over and then go through the eye twice to 6 turn uni knot. My 6# nano will hold to 9# and my 8#nano will hold to 12# with this doubled over knot.

Yep

[Yudo1]

I use improved clinch for fluoro and Palomar for braid.  I have had great success with these and see no reason to change.