If you can't beat 'em, join 'em?

[jbsoonerfan]

So Jordan should have left the Bulls to join the Pistons after the 1990 season? I mean he couldn't beat them......No, he stayed and started his own dynasty. That's because he had a desire to be great. KD doesn't want the pressure of trying to lead a team to a championship. Much easier to ride the coattails of others to get one.

[Nice_Bass]

37 minutes ago, jbsoonerfan said:

So Jordan should have left the Bulls to join the Pistons after the 1990 season? I mean he couldn't beat them......No, he stayed and started his own dynasty. That's because he had a desire to be great. KD doesn't want the pressure of trying to lead a team to a championship. Much easier to ride the coattails of others to get one.

He also retired in '93 only to come back for what used to be the greatest season...

Being the competitor Jordan is...I would guarantee he would have left after the 1990 season.

He also signed a 8 year contract and was the face of the Bulls, in a major market, with competent and upcoming players all around him that were going to be there for a while as well.

Bulls paid Jordan to stay over and over...and often overpaid so that he would not go anywhere else in his later years '96/'97- ish.

I just cant believe we give a guy such a hard time for putting himself in a position to win lol.

Next time all you tx fisherman need to go out in your original boats, with your original gear, and go out there and beat those around you with it to show just how bad you want it lol. (I am kidding...of course).

[jbsoonerfan]

So you made my point for me. Jordan was a great competitor who knew he could make his team great. KD realizes he can't so he has to join a great team. Weak!!!!!

[Nice_Bass]

16 hours ago, jbsoonerfan said:

So you made my point for me. Jordan was a great competitor who knew he could make his team great. KD realizes he can't so he has to join a great team. Weak!!!!!

Ignoratio elenchi....

Presenting an argument of “but he is not Michael Jordan” is not a competent enough argument in this instance (or any, really) and misses the point to boot.  No one is Michael Jordan…for a reason. 

It does not mean KD made the wrong decision.  

I think you also missed the part about the Bulls paying Jordan record sums of money for back then- and Jordan was a very ego and money driven player. 

[jbsoonerfan]

Ok, so he is not a competitor. He's not a Kobe. He's not a leader, not a winner. An example of "everyone gets a trophy" generation. He's been told how great he was since he could dribble a basketball, so to validate that he is going to join a team where he is almost guaranteed to win a championship. Weak in my opinion. I guess being a competitor and wanting to beat the best is different in athletics than it is wanting to join the best in sales.

[Nice_Bass]

12 minutes ago, jbsoonerfan said:

 Weak in my opinion. I guess being a competitor and wanting to beat the best is different in athletics than it is wanting to join the best in sales.

I have done both...have you? 

I get so sick of this trophy generation blah blah blah.  I am 32, did not grow up getting trophies but I still understand that the only ones to benefit from him staying in OK was the owners and by some extent some of the fan base.  He has a job, one where he is paid to succeed.  Have you ever had a job where you are paid based on success or do you get paid to show up no matter how well you did? I assume you may have reviews and sometimes get a pat on the back but it does not sound like you have came from higher level sports/collegiate sports or a results driven workplace.  In fact...you sound like a teacher lol!!! (who I have an upmost respect for if that happens to be true).  It is very easy to say you would not leave your job for a different one with you are not 100% commission and your family depends on you....

Also, he did not join the Cavs who are right now the best team but he did join a team that will now be able to beat them so really...he understands he can not beat them alone, wants to be the best, playing with the best.  Do we really crucify our sports figures now for not being ego maniac Kobe Bryant's? 

 

"Bryant has had a notoriously contentious history with several teammates and coaches, and he has often been cited as a factor, if not the factor, for why some players leave the Lakers or why some free agents never join."

My favorite quote about kobe...maybe you guys can get him out of retirement now lol.

 

 

[jbsoonerfan]

I have my opinion, you have yours. I think it was a cowardly move to go to a team who you had on the ropes in the Western conference finals but couldn't get the job done. Just my opinion. As I stated before, I didn't think he would stay, but as a competitor I do not understand what he is thinking. I would want to be known as the player who the team was built around and the player who brought a championship to that team. But I guess it's easier this way. He's going to win a title but he will never be perceived as a leader, simply a follower who took the easy road.

 

Once again, just my opionion. 

[Nice_Bass]

I respect that. 

on a similar yet slightly different note- Dwyane Wade is going through the opposite situation right now.  Played hard and sacrificed money so that upper office could bring over talent, won a couple of championships, only to part ways with his team years later when his team should have stood by him for being a leader/competitor.  that's not how business works though and Miami did not want to give an ageing chronically hurt player a 3 year deal (understandable). The Bulls are dumb enough to have 3 pg's though that cant shoot 3's so I guess I had that coming!

[jbsoonerfan]

They may not make very many 3's, but I guarantee there will be plenty of them shot. Lol